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procedures. Selecting qualified executive directors. Everything I read says they elect or select an executive director. It doesn't say the process of it. It's like you said it's vague. And can I address the nepotism issue. Mr. Savage: Go ahead. Mrs. Ruthart LD was hired before I was executive director. I was a Gibson when I was hired here 18 years ago. I have only been a Ruthart for 5 years. LD is not kin to me; he is my husband's cousin. According to our Personnel Policy that is not nepotism. Our Personnel Policy states "Nepotism" — Generally, two members of an immediate family will not be appointed to regular positions in the same Department. Except in extraordinary circumstances, no employees may directly or indirectly supervise or be supervised by a member of his/her immediate family. An immediate family member includes an employee's spouse, child, parent, guardian, brother, sister, father -in -law, mother -in -law, brother -in -law, sister -in -law, or any relative living in the employee's home. And, LD does not live with me. He is my husband's cousin and I was a Gibson when I started here and 5 years ago I married LD's cousin. That's just the nepotism that I found. I did not hire him. I am not kin to him. I'm not kin to Cindy Ruthart. She was also married to my husband's cousin, but she is no longer married to my husband's cousin. I'm like Gary, I have looked everything up about going out for posting, that was an option to board and I'm pretty sure he gave ya'11 an option. If you don't like this one, we can go further. Ms. Cherry: I'm talking about not the Housing Authority by laws because actually the state laws override that. That board training video is not vague it's very clear. It says it flat out. It's not vague at all; I'm not understanding. Mrs. Ruthart: What part of the video; because I'm like Gary I missed that part. Ms. Cherry: It is toward the middle of the video and I watched it twice. And that is what it said. It said that positions that are great public interest such as administrator or executive director you have to. It didn't say you have to post it up on the board; it said like you have to announce the meetings and stuff and have to be specific in what you say. You can't just say, you have to say that you are voting on a executive director. I mean, I don't understand why this board wouldn't want other people to be made known that there is a position open; because if you don't you only allow certain people to apply for the job. What kind of mess is that? I don't understand the idea because it opens the door for discrimination and whatever. So I don't understand why any board would say we don't want to let the public know even though this is a public entity what happens to the people that live out here matters and so why would you want to keep it a secret? Why? Mr. Savage: I don't believe the board was trying to keep it a secret. Ms. Cherry: Well it is a secret if it's not open. I don't know how it went on but it was not open and nobody can get a chance at a job here if you had it like that where only the people that are already here can know about job openings. I don't understand that. 6