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storage is fully ...... So from the standpoint of water, generally the use of it is considered to be the <br />conservation of it. And so, if you put your water to beneficial use, whether you're selling it to Irving or <br />using it locally or whatever, you're going to have a greater utilization of the conservation pool. And when <br />you're drawing water down and there's water in flood storage, you're really taking water from the <br />conservation pool, because that's where your pumps are, but what's happening is the top of the water <br />level is coming down, which is what they want to happen anyway. So the only limitation you have is the <br />diversion rights given to you by the state, the cap on how much you can divert. <br />Something I was talking about with your staff today, there is, I think it's 86.5 cubic feet per second, <br />which is a lot of water, but that's the maximum diversion rate that you can have from the project. If you <br />want to take more than that, you're going to have to go in and amend the permit. If you want to take some <br />from another location, you're going to have to go in and amend the permit. So all of these limitations are <br />spelled out in your water rights permit. <br />Reeves Hayter: 86.5 cubic feet per second is not a new number, now. That's not a new limit. That IS 55 <br />million gallons a day. It's the same number, just expressed in different units. <br />JM: OK, Question No. 16, does the contract for water rights between the Corps of Engineers and the <br />City of Paris allow for changes in the lake levels for additional holding capacity. For example raising the <br />dam height, dredging or acquiring additional flood plain for holding more water above the 451 foot <br />elevation? <br />It doesn't address that. It is silent on it. You'd have to negotiate that with the Corps. They'd have to go <br />through and check those boxes and work out the terms to do that. <br />No. 17, If the water rights have not been fully paid by the City of Paris, could another entity buy the <br />unpaid portion from the Corps of engineers and subsequently call the note? <br />JM: My understanding is the city is attempting to pay off its final payment to the Corps of Engineers <br />and so I don't think that's a problem. And even if you weren't in a position to pay it off, I've never heard of <br />a situation of the Corps relinquishing its rights to a third party and let them go foreclose on another. So I <br />don't think in the real world that that's a problem. <br />OK, the last three or four questions have to do with new sources of supply. <br />18. Who owns the water that exits the lake via the spillway? <br />It's the state's water, subject to the compact. So it's going to require a new appropriation as long as it's <br />in the state of Texas. I suspect when it hits the Red River, there is an issue, because generally the <br />southern boundary of the Red River is the border between Texas and Oklahoma. But this water is <br />handled via the compact, so I don't know for sure. I would suspect that appropriations on the Texas side <br />would get a permit from the State of Texas and on the Oklahoma side would get a permit from the State <br />of Oklahoma. <br />But it's all subject to this compact. You have a minimum flow requirement to meet, and you have each <br />state can get no more than 25 percent of that total water. And I would submit to you, and I don't meet to <br />be harsh or judgmental about this, but there's not a lot of appropriations out of the Red River for municipal <br />use because of the CDS content. And it looked to me from the map that you're probably two or three <br />miles down Sanders Creek from Pat Mayse Lake until you enter the Red River, so the opportunity to pick <br />that water up would be preferable in that limited space if you felt that would be a beneficial thing to do. <br />But then the question is what are you going to do with it? You certainly not going to pipe it back into Pat <br />Mayse because it would flow back over ... <br />Going on to the next one, Question No. 19, at what point does the water exit the lake and become <br />