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need it for our customers, our contractual obligations, we get it back, OK? And in the process, as time goes by, we may learn that we actually have more surplus, And we can identify to you under the contract that additional surplus and you can exercise the right of whether you want it or not, and if you want it, you take it. So, a well- written document can give you a lot of flexibility. It depends on the willingness of both parties to live within the flexibility that you need. It can be as simple as you want it to be, or it can be as complicated as you want it to be. What I'm trying to say to you, I think you need a good technical analysis of how much water you're contractually obligated to provide to other parties, and how much you currently use as a city, and how much you reasonably foresee needing as a city over your horizon. You may need to have that last part of it short- staggered. How much will you need in 2020, 2030, etc. You can then take that number and subtract it from your 55 mgd, and that amount is truly surplus, you don't have any plans to use that water, OK? You can tell Irving, we can guarantee we can give you this amount of water, and we think we can give you this under - utilized portion of our contract water. So if you look at all your contracts and they total up to be 30.3 mgd, but over a long -term average, take the peak annual usages of those customers over the last five years, you could multiply that by a factor, and tell Irving we think we can get you that amount of water as surplus, because we haven't been using it. But we always reserve the right that if something happens to change that pattern of use and we need to get it back, we have the right to get it back. So from Irving's standpoint, there is a certain amount of water that is assured. there's a certain amount of water that has a degree of probability that they're going to get, and then there's maybe a third category of, as we learn more about our operations and our customer operations, maybe we can negotiate with our customers about, can we reduce the contractual obligations to more correctly reflect your usage patterns, you may free up more water that you can say we can give you this on a certainty basis. And you could have a contractual mechanism that would allow you to offer that water for them to accept that water, and it goes into a different category at a point in time. What I am saying is, you can try to structure a contract that provides for near full utilization of resource with flexibility as to who has first rights on it, and the city and the city's customers would always have that first right on it, so from Irving's standpoint, they're going to have an interest in purchasing. They're going to be willing to pay you more for that certain supply of water. They may be highly interested in this probable supply of water, but because it's probable and not certain, it might be worth less to them, OK? Reeves Hayter: Another thing to remember there, is that we plan for our needs through 2060. If there is a surplus and if the citizens want, we sell that to Irving. But we are only selling it to them through 2060. So in 2060, we're not out of water. We get back all of the water we sold Irving, unless we want to sell it to them again. JM: You could start by saying we're going to sell you 100 percent of today's surplus plus this other stuff, OK? And in a decade, we may cut it to 90, or 80, or 60, kind of rachet it down, because as you grow, the amount of the water you can free up declines. So if you can be smart enough, and crystal ball enough to tell me what your demands are going to be, I can write you a contract that will reflect that. But the hard job is your job, OK? The hard technical questions are what your needs are going to be in 2020, in 2030, in 2040, in 2050, in 2060. Y'all are going to have to make some assessments about that, and you've got the benefit of your regional plan. You just need to have good assessment in terms of what your demands are going to be, what your available supplies are, and how much you want to make available in different buckets -- different categories of surplus. Some of it can be certain water, some of it can be highly probable water, some of it can be if things happen we'll offer you more water. And there are ways we can construct your contract language to accommodate that. I can help you see the issues and I can work with the staff to do that, but these sort of things require a lot of analysis about your historic water use patterns, a lot of discussion with your customers about what their needs are and well be, and so forth. Reeves Hayter: They (Irving) are not contemplating a short -term contract, OK? (laughter)