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we're kind of sorting through it. But that's part of our obligation to be part about our resources.
<br />We can't be ... about finding all the new water without thinking how can we be better about
<br />conservation, how can we better about recycling water, and stuff like that.
<br />Todd Reck: This map here, you'll see there are a lot of red lakes shown. These are not lakes
<br />we have a partnership in. These are just part of the whole picture.
<br />Jim Cline: This is Marvin Nichols, which is a big deal in a lot of places, and very sensitive
<br />issues. We particiPated in a study on that, but we are not a partner on that lake. One of the things
<br />that my predecessors in City Council in Irving established was our commitment to the long term,
<br />and to look ahead. And we're debating whether it was the late 50s or the early 60s when the
<br />whole issue of increasing the size of Lake Cooper and to build the pipeline, all that.
<br />This is the pipeline that we own 50 percent of, here, and then ... Todd Reck, we have 35
<br />percent of Lake Cooper, 39 percent?
<br />Todd Reck: in that range, about a third of the capacity, roughly.
<br />Jim Cline: We've hardly had some experience dealing with our partners on who draws how
<br />much water out of the lake, and how fast. So we've got some experience. One of things I
<br />presented to the (Paris) City Council when we brought this whole agreement is, we learned a lot
<br />with Cooper. About the time we started pumping water, which was in June of 2003, is when the
<br />drought started, and the lake got real low, and we know that and we learned a lot of lessons from
<br />that. We want to take those lessons and apply it here and in other places. That's a big deal.
<br />Recreation benefits of the lake are significant, and community impact with dropping the lake
<br />level real low are a big deal. We recognize that and that's something that we know is going to be
<br />a big part of this whole discussion. I'd rather talk about Cooper than let it be an unsaid topic.
<br />Because the level of Cooper Lake got real low, no doubt, and we're not going to argue about that.
<br />So, that's our story, on how we do our water.
<br />Now, the questions.
<br />I believe there was one question on drawing water from October through May only.
<br />° Q -Would the City of Irving sign a contract with the City of Paris that would specifically
<br />provide little or no water from approximately mid -May through mid - October, and then provide
<br />the majority of water from mid - October through mid -May?
<br />A -One of the things is, we never say never in these things, OK? But let me say there are some
<br />issues with that, because one of the things we are trying to develop -- and again a lesson learned
<br />on Cooper -- is we need a diverse water supply, and multiple watersheds, where we can make
<br />sure we can provide water to our citizens without grossly impacting somebody else. The concern
<br />I've got is if we say the only time we pull water out of Pat Mayse is effectively during the off -
<br />peak months, that's exactly it, it's the off -peak months. The water that our peak demand is in is
<br />during those same months. So that becomes difficult. We need to analyze that and figure it out. It
<br />impacts the value and impacts the feasibility of the pipeline, and does it make sense? It is
<br />difficult if we can't pull the water out during the summer months, because that's when we have
<br />our highest demand. And we have limited storage. Now we can store water in Chapman; we have
<br />rights to do that. We can store some water in Lewisville. As I said, 9700 acre feet, which is say
<br />10,000 out of, we're closing in on needing probably 75,000 to make it through the end of the
<br />year. I'm just using rough numbers, OK? So a small portion of what we've got would get us
<br />through a couple of months if the pipeline has to go down, or something like that, or we have an
<br />issue with the lake. But it's not enough to make a year, for instance. So, that's the story there.
<br />Bottom line answer to the question is, it's difficult, OK? And so we need to talk through that.
<br />That's an operating question, and how this sorts itself out with multiple lakes, hopefully, and how
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