09/13/2017 MINUTESREGULAR MEETING MINUTES
CITY OF PARIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
107 EAST KAUFMAN
Chris Dux
Skipper Steeley
David Alarid
Sarah Barbee
Glee Emmite
Randy Hider
Linda Vandiver
Cheri Bedford- HPO
Linda Knox- Council Liaison
PARIS, TEXAS
WEDNESDAY, Seat 13, 2017
Guests:
Marvin Gorley
Lisa Walker
Michael Moore
Jeremy Moore
Barbara Wilson
Commission Chair Dux called the meeting to order at 4:00 p.m.
The meeting minutes from August 9, 2017 were reviewed and approved by acclamation
Discussion and Possible action on the following certificate of appropriateness:
A. WeRiet, LLC, 39 Lamar Ave. Installation of window Marvin Gorley stated the
company wanted to reestablish the window in the east wall of 39 Lamar Ave. The
owners had taken off the wood that infill of to look at the where the window was
previously located. Commissioner Dux had questions about the siding, and sheeting that
would cover the side of the brick that has been exposed. The concern was that the
sheeting would not match the character of the original building. Chairman Dux asked if
there was any thought to going back to the original. Mr. Gorley stated that the only thing
that the owner wanted to do was to match the existing front fagade. Commissioner Dux
asked if the building owners were going to open up the transoms. Mr. Gorley explained
that future plans to restore the property to original, but at this point the side window that
was covered would be opened. Chairman Dux called for motion; Commissioner Hider
made the motion to accept the installation of the new window as presented.
Commissioner Dux seconded. Mr. Gorley stated that he appreciated the second, but
would be willing to discuss with the owner if the window could be framed leaving the
brick exposed and cleaned if this could be an option to be added to the approval,
Commissioner Hider amended his motion, and added the option to leave the brick
showing if possible. Seconded by Chairman Dux, motion Carried 4-2, Commissioner
Barbee abstained.
B. Avanteusa, ltd 140 NE 2nd ST. Fagade changes and canopy addition- Michael Moore
Mr. Moore explained that he had purchased what used to be Paris Machine Shop, a
metal building for use as a call center. Mr. Moore explained that he was interested in
replacing the metal siding with new, adding a canopy to the front of the building, and
some rock half way up on the fagade front. They owners are also going to cover and
enclose the existing garage door and they will be covered with the same metal siding.
Commissioner Dux noted that the building was on the outskirts of the historic district,
and has no historical significance, and the clearly anything that was done to would be an
improvement. Commissioner Vandiver made the motion to approve the Certificate as
presented, seconded by Commissioner Barbee, Motion carried 7-0
—CONSENT AGENDA ---
[Items appearing on this consent agenda may be approved by a single vote of the
Commission, with such approval applicable to all items appearing on said agenda. If any
Commission member desires to discuss and consider separately any item appearing on the
consent agenda, that Commission member may do so by requesting that the item be
removed from the consent agenda and considered as a separate item.]
Discussion of and possible action regarding the following structures considered by code
inspectors to be in violation of Article III of Chapter 7 of the Code of Ordinances of the City of
Paris, Paris, Texas, entitled "Substandard and Dangerous Buildings and Structures," to
determine whether such buildings or structures can be rehabilitated and designated on the
National Register of Historic Places, as a recorded Texas Historic Landmark, or as historic
property as designated by the City Council of the City of Paris.
A motion was made by Commissioner Vandiver and seconded by Commissioner Alarid
remove items A -D from the consent agenda for discussion and to leave item E 1153 SE 16`x'
because the building cannot be rehabilitated and designated on the National Register of
Historic Places, as a recorded Texas Historic Landmark, or as historic property as designated
by the City Council of the City of Paris. Motion carried 7-0
A. 625 W. Washington Commissioner Steeley informed the commission because it was the
black hospital, but the property has been left to ruin. Commissioner Steely said this was a
prime example, and they could have taken this 10 years ago and tried to save.
Commissioner Vandiver said she agreed, but nothing could be done now. A motion was
made by Commissioner Steely to take no opposition to the demolition of this property
because it rehabilitated and designated on the National Register of Historic Places, as a
recorded Texas Historic Landmark, or as historic property as designated by the City
Council of the City of Paris, seconded by Commissioner Hider, motion carried 7-0
B. 1604 Pine Bluff, There was some discussion on the house. Commissioner Hider noted that
it was on the Zillow website for a while. Commissioner Dux noted it looked as if there were
foundation problems. Commissioner Vandiver noted that it looked like it was in pretty
good shape, and Commissioner Steely stated he thought that Pine Bluff was fixed up pine
bluff so things like this could be sold, and he wondered if this house was another house that
they couldn't get out of the owners grasp. Commissioner Dux stated that a type of
architectural style is not adequate to keep it off the list for BSC. The house is not in the
historic district, it is not in a historic district, as far as they know there is no significance
because of the owner of the house, and as far as the commission knows the only thing it
represents is a craftsman style house from the early 1900's, and they don't really know
what type of shape it is in otherwise. He reminded the commissioners that if they pull the
house, it is their responsibility to come up with a written report, so if they do this, he will
hope that one of the commissioners will do the report. The Commission was in agreement
that the craftsman style house made it significant to Paris historic fabric of the community.
A motion was made by Linda Vandiver to research the property details to determine if it
could be rehabilitated and designated on the National Register of Historic Places, as a
recorded Texas Historic Landmark, or as historic property as designated by the City
Council of the City of Paris. Seconded by Commissioner Steely, motion carried 7-0.
Commissioner Steely and Commissioner Vandiver volunteered to bring a written report of
their research to the commission at the meeting on October 11, 2017 regularly scheduled
meeting.
C. 350 NE 8`}' & 339 NE 8t'' Chairman Dux introduced items B & D pulled by Commissioner
Steeley. Commissioner Steely asked the commission if any of them had looked at them.
Commissioner Vandiver said that she drove by it and the grass was very high.
Commissioner Steely said that had been taken care of. The commission briefly discussed
the houses, location and condition of the carport and ramp. There was sagging leaning
carports, and leaning siding. Commissioner Steely said that he thought they should remove
the carport and the ramp of one of the houses and it would be OK. Chairman Dux called
for a motion. A motion was made by Steely and seconded by Commissioner Alarid to
oppose the demolition of the structures. During the discussion Commissioner Dux asked
Commissioner Steely why he thinks they should not be torn down. Commissioner Steely
stated they need to be cleaned up and utilized and he felt that is up to Talley. Commissioner
Dux asked Commissioner Steely if he would live in them. Commissioner Dux also
reminded the commission that Talley (Code Enforcement) has a process. Commissioner
Steely stated the Talley could come to the HPC meetings and give the commission the
process. Commissioner Barbee and Alarid, and Hider stated that they did not feel they have
enough information on the structures to vote. Commissioner Dux call for a vote was taken
by show of hands; Commissioners Steely, Alarid, and Barbee opposed the demolition of
the structures. Commissioner Hider asked that before he make a decision for or against that
he know what is the what the process was for the houses ending up on the demolish list.
Commissioner Dux explained the code enforcement department has a process including
attempts to contact the owners, work with the owner securing the structure to keep it from
deterioration, or if the owner isn't interested in the property demolish it. He further
explained that there was a concern that the structures house vagrants who might be hurt
inside. Commissioner Steely recommended that Commissioner Hider go to the Building
and Standards commission meeting next week and watch Robert Talley go through the
whole process. He stated the BSC would override the HPC anyhow, and he felt something
was fishy. Commissioner Alarid stated anything with Talley was fishy. Commissioner
Hider stated he was ready to vote. Commissioner Dux, Emmite, and Vandiver, and Hider
voted NOT to oppose the demolition of the structures. The motion not to send the houses
failed 4-3 so the commission will take no opposition to the demolition of the structures
because they cannot be rehabilitated and designated on the National Register of Historic
Places, as a recorded Texas Historic Landmark, or as historic property as designated by the
City Council of the City of Paris.
Cheri gave the commission a review of the Historic Preservation Commission duties and
powers, and reread demolition section of the ordinance as pertains to historic structures. She
also told the commission based on the ordinance, the Coca-Cola property will be having a
public hearing for the demolition of the Children's Wing located on their property at the next
meeting. Between now and then, she will get with them to make sure everything in the bullet
point on the ordinance is included in the packets given to the commission for the public
hearing. She also stated that the ordinance reads that the public hearing should be held within
30 days of receiving the application, and so the public hearing date would be at the next
meeting in October, but whatever the commission decided the property, any time frames would
be retroactive to the August 2017 meeting.
Cheri reviewed the powers and duties of the commission for the process of reviewing
certificate of appropriateness and how to utilize the secretary of interior standards and design
standards to make a decision and not to use personal opinion.
Discussion on Alternative Materials in the Historic District;
Commissioner Dux led a discussion on alternative materials and replacement windows. He
noted a lot of different types of windows, mostly wooden windows, but some steel frame type
still from pre -fire still exist. Commissioner Hider noted that more specific guidelines would
help the public and the commission makes a decision on windows since there are so many
types it might help to remove confusion on the part of the public as well. Commissioner Dux
asked all changes that have been approved by the commission could be added as an addendum
to the design standards to be available to the public. Commissioner Dux reviewed of
preservation briefs available by the National Parks Service, and it was also suggested by
Commissioner Hider that these be added as a resource to our city webpage.
Commissioner Dux suggested that the commission consider aluminum clad or fiberglass clad
wooden windows be added to the standards. - No action was taken at this meeting, but
Commissioner Dux requested it be placed on the next agenda.
HPO Report: Cheri gave a report of the administratively approved COA's.
Commissioner Alarid asked why the Belford Apartments were not on the agenda.
Commissioner Dux stated he had received the information from Commissioner Alarid but
didn't have time to discuss with the City Attorney the details. Commissioner Alarid interjected
he felt it didn't matter; Commissioner Alarid passed out to all the commissioners a written
proposal recommending action on Belford apartments and asked that discussion be made at the
next meeting. Commissioner Dux said he would look over the proposal and talk to the City
Attorney. Commissioner Alarid stated it was a waste of time to talk to Stephanie (City
Attorney) but Commissioner Dux could; however he stated he thought the commission could
send to council on their own, and the city attorney would reject everything anyway.
Commissioner Dux stated that he would talk to her in any case.
Commissioner Steely brought several maps of individual's property that owe back taxes and
asked the commission if they were interested to review it after the meeting.
Commissioner Dux requested the commission discuss what the procedure is for someone
doing work without a Certificate of Appropriateness in the historic district.
A moq'6ffj vas made to adjourn by 5:20 p.m. Commissioner Dux, motion carried by
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