03-F Water/Sewer (5/15/03)MINUTES OF THE CITY COUNCIL WATER & SEWER
SUBCOMMITTEE
MAY 15, 2003
The City Council Water & Sewer Subcommittee met in special session,
Thursday May 15, 2003, at 4:00 P. M., Paris Junior College Applied
Technology Building, Room 1211, 2400 Clarksville Street, Paris, Texas.
Chairman Benny Plata called the meeting to order with the following members
present: Councilwoman Francine Neeley and Councilman Willie Weekly, Sr.
Also present were City Manager Michael E. Malone, City Attorney Larry
Schenk, Director of Finance Gene Anderson, City Engineer Shawn Napier, and
Director of Utilities Herb Campbell.
Invocation was given by Councilman Weekly.
Chairman Plata said the first order of business was a report by the committee
members regarding water and sewer related matters, but went to the next item
on the agenda, and called for reports from city staff regarding water and sewer
related matters.
Mr. Campbell advised that Chairman Plata had given written recommendations
previously to Council and advised that City Manager Malone is prepared to
address those issues.
City Manager Malone passed out a memorandum regarding Councilman Plata' s
Recommendation Number One: '~ Eliminate $18,000.00 budgeted for a new
truck when the old one is still operable".'~
City Manager Malone stated that the committee is making every effort to gather
information to try to find ways to decrease the impact of a rate increase on the
citizens and industries. The City Manager said everyone is looking for ways
to share in that task of holding costs down. He said they had spent a lot of time
in previous workshops in the past few years and had lean budgets and the water
and wastewater budgets have been very static for a number of years. The
employment level has remained the same for the past ten years even while the
city has had tremendous increases in tasks for our employees to perform due
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to regulatory requirements. There have been expansions to the plant due to
mandates that required certain facilities to be built and this has increased the
amount of equipment that has to be operated and maintained. Even though the
city has given the employees more to do, the city has not increased the
employment in those facilities. The City Manager advised that the city has to
train all of the employees in the water and wastewater plants. Most of the
employees come to the city and the city provides all the training to bring them
up to speed so that we can have an environment that is safe for the citizens
along with the employees.
City Manager Malone passed out a memorandum regarding Recommendation
Number One by Chairman Plata which was to eliminate $18,000.00 budgeted
for a new truck when the old one is still operable. He said that he and city staff
had done research on this matter. City Manager Malone said that page 3,
fourth paragraph, of the minutes of a Special City Council Meeting on
September 19, 2002, reads as follows: ~Councilman Plata questioned the motor
vehicle account orS 18,000.00. Mr. Campbell said that is a replacement vehicle
for Unit 217. He explained that this vehicle was being driven by the Water
Plant Superintendent when he went to work for the city, and it is still being
used by maintenance at this time. He said the vehicle has 102,000 miles on it
and it has already rolled over one time. The Council discussed using a mid-size
pickup instead ora larger vehicle. It was the consensus of the City Council to
cut $5,000.00 from the budget for motor vehicles", and this was done leaving
$13,000.00 for the purchase of a smaller vehicle.
City Manager Malone said that on page 213 of the printed budget, line item 10-
0901-82-98 - Buildings was shown as $13,000.00 and line item 10-1004-82-99
- Motor Vehicles was shown as $18,000.00. These numbers were reversed by
mistake and should be corrected to reflect the amounts shown in the capital
detail on page 214 following. The actual amount budgeted by Council for the
purchase of the vehicle is $13,000.00.
The City Manager said at the time the budget was being prepared, Mr.
Campbell prudently included funding for a replacement pickup since the
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availability of a substitute from another city department was unknown. The
City Manager pointed out from an attachment of a memorandum from Mr.
Campbell dated April 23, 2003, which explains that the vehicle to be replaced
was towed to the city shop on November 22, 2002, in an inoperable condition.
Documentation is also attached concerning the condition of that vehicle and the
recommendation of the shop that the vehicle be disposed of rather than being
repaired. Mr. Campbell's memorandum also explains that on January 7, 2003,
Public Works was able to transfer a vehicle to the Utilities Department to
replace Unit 217, which subsequently has been placed in the city surplus
auction, thus the one-time cost of $13,000.00 has already been achieved. The
replacement vehicle was a 1990 GMC S- 15 pickup, which had been previously
used by Animal Control and by Maria Pope who did work for Public Works.
This vehicle is in fair condition and has 114,792 miles on it. Also attached to
City Manager Malone's memorandum is a repair estimate made by James
Walker, Shop Supervisor, stating that the vehicle would not start, the engine
would have to be rebuilt at a cost of $3,095.22, and recommending disposal of
the vehicle, and the transfer document moving the 1990 GMC Pickup to the
Water Treatment Division.
City Manager Malone passed out a memorandum for Councilman Plata's
Recommendation Number Two: ~ Eliminate $40,000.00 budgeted for
equipment to remove sludge when conventional methods have worked for
years".
City Manager Malone said on pages four and five of the minutes of the Special
City Council Meeting of September 19, 2002, attached to this memorandum,
beginning with the fourth paragraph, Councilman Plata questioned the
proposed expenditures of $40,000.00 in line item 10-0414-82-00, Other, sludge
removal. These minutes were from a budget workshop last year, prior to the
passage of the budget as follows: ~Mr. Campbell explained that the water
treatment plant sludge is collected into two settlement basins from what was
the Maxey Water Treatment Plant. He said that we cannot get the sludge out
of these basins fast enough and that funds from this line item were budgeted to
install automatic sludge handling equipment in the bottom of these two basins.
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The purpose is to scrape the sludge and keep it mixed up so it can be sprayed
on the field. We are recycling approximately 800,000 gallons of water per day
that otherwise would be pumped to the creek and would have to be replaced by
pumping additional water from Pat Mayse Lake at additional cost. The
recycling of this water saves approximately $66,500.00 per year. We make
beneficial use of this sludge by spraying it on a field adjacent to this plant."
City Manager Malone said there is a new mandate that we refer to as the
backwash recycle rule. The rule was implemented on January 1st and its
purpose is to prevent the contamination of our drinking water with recycled
backwash water with too high a concentration of Giardia and Cryptosporidium,
both of which cause serious health problems to some people. There are rules
that limit disposing of sludge by sending it down the creek. We have a permit
to apply the sludge to the land adjoining the plant which is an efficient and cost
effective means of disposal. We have never had an effective way to keep the
sludge in suspension in the basin that we are pumping to the spray field, so that
the solids settle into the bottom of the basin. As these solids build up in the
basin, the contaminants are concentrated and there is more chance of spillage
over into our water treatment process as we draw the recycled water off the top
to return to the water treatment process. We are returning the recycled water
from the sludge basins to save money. The new mandate is more strict about
the quality of the recycled water that we are reusing and the funds budgeted are
to be used this summer to address this problem.
City Manager Malone advised that Mr. Campbell budgeted $40,000.00 to cover
the contingency of purchasing commercial sludge handling equipment designed
for this purpose. Again, illustrating the conservative use of city resources, Mr.
Campbell began experimenting with a cheaper alternative this past fall. He
said that Mr. Campbell previously bought for salvage value some surplus
floating mixer/aerators from John Kraft Sesaco Company in Paris, which we
have been using in these basins for several years without achieving the desired
effect needed to meet this new mandate. Mr. Campbell has designed some
modifications to these floating mixer/aerators and has had a prototype
fabricated. We have been testing the modified mixer/aerators and believe that
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the modified version will achieve the desired results. It appears that to fully
implement the modification, less than half of the budgeted $40,000.00 will be
needed.
City Manager Malone said the %onventional methods (that) have worked for
years" referred to by Councilman Plata will no longer suffice due to the new
rule that has been implemented. An expenditure is necessary to meet the new
rule in effect to avoid a situation where we would be fined and to protect the
health of the citizens we serve, which is the purpose of the new rule.
Councilman Plata's projected saving of $40,000.00 cannot be reasonably
achieved and meet the rule in an adequate and responsible manner. However,
it appears that city staff will save as much as $20,000.00 or more through their
innovation.
City Manager Malone advised that attached to his memorandum are minutes
ora budget workshop of September 19, 2002, where they discussed this project
which was placed in the budget at $40,000.00 for this project and any other
maintenance that is needed in that facility. He said that also attached are two
photographs, one showing what the mixer/aerator looks like floating in the
basin and the second one shows what personnel have to do to clean the sludge
out of the basin when it becomes overloaded. In the background, there is a
extension tube, which is retractable.
Mr. Campbell explained that the top half of the tube is fixed in place and the
bottom half slips over it and as the aerator flows, depending on the depth of the
water, it extends itself all the way out almost to the bottom of the basin where
it picks up the sludge and brings it back to the surface and mixes it.
Councilman Plata wanted to know how often these basins are cleaned. Mr.
Campbell advised that they do this about every two to two and one-half years.
Mr. Plata stated that is not the information that he received. Mr. Campbell said
he could research this matter. Chairman Plata said they told him it had not
been cleaned in the last seven years. Mr. Campbell asked David Wims to look
that information up. Mr. Wims said the last time it was cleaned was in August
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of 2000, but he would check the records. City Manager Malone wanted to
know who gave Chairman Plata this information. Chairman Plata said he was
there the other morning just looking and he asked what was going on and the
person said that all ora sudden Mr. Campbell wanted this cleaned and said they
had not cleaned this in seven years. Mr. Campbell advised that this person has
been working for the city for about six months and he did not know how he
would have that type information.
Chairman Plata questioned the information regarding the mandate to prevent
the contamination of the drinking water, saying that this mandate does not
really apply, and that staff is saying that it might happen. If you do not have
the sludge equipment looked at, you are saying it is a possibility that
contamination might get in our drinking water. Mr. Campbell said sure, it
might get in when they repair a water leak. Chairman Plata said the mandate
does not specifically point out that you have to get equipment and clean this
out. Mr. Campbell stated that they do not tell the city how to do the mandates,
they just want you to meet their requirements and you have to figure it out on
your on. Chairman Plata stated that all he gets out of it is that you need to
prevent the contamination of the drinking water where recycled backwash
water is involved. Councilwoman Neeley wanted to know if the backwash
water is the water that is being recycled. Mr. Campbell said that it was, along
with the dump from the basin and all of the wastewater in the plant. She asked
whether when the sludge was being sprayed on the fields had this ever come
close to happening. Mr. Campbell said it sure had and when the turbidity gets
out they will shut it down. He said that you can talked to some of the people
that are here today, because they are the ones who does the work, and that was
before the new rule came into effect. Mr. Campbell stressed that the city can
not afford to let it get as deep as it has been getting because of the new rule.
They did not have a backwash recycle rule in place until this year, but the city
has been doing this for seven to eight years and it saves money. He quoted
$66,000.00 and actually saved about twice as much when they used the new
figures that Mr. Anderson provided.
City Manager Malone said it goes without saying that the City of Paris has not
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had a boil water notice during the time that Mr. Campbell and his employees
have been operating this plant. That is not saying that it might not happen, but
there are a lot of circumstances that can cause a city to issue a boil water
notice, and it behooves them to protect the public health and safety. Other
plants have methods of handling sludge and other cities do things differently,
but those who have this type system usually have a mechanical mixer, which
the city does not have. He stated that since this rule has been implemented, it
has become even more stringent and more important for this to happen. He
said that we do not need to put the burden of issuing a boil water notice on our
citizens and our industry because it will be in the newspaper and it is a really
big deal.
Chairman Plata said that staff was just saying that this could happen and are
making it a reality; but in reality, what staff is saying is that the city has never
come close to having a boil water notice. City Manager Malone said that was
not true, saying we have not said that we have never come close to having a
boil water notice. He said that we have come close several times. Mr.
Campbell pointed out that Chairman Plata came out and looked at that last
water leak and the city came close to having a boil water notice on that
occasion and there are different ways that a city can have a boil water notice.
Mr. Campbell stressed again that if that sludge builds up in there and it gets
carried over into the basins, they can not treat that out of there, and then we
could have a boil water notice.
Councilwoman Neeley wanted to know if the money was in the budget to
purchase mechanical mixers. City Manager Malone stated that as he said in
the memo, Mr. Campbell budgeted those funds in that account to purchase
mechanical mixing equipment. He said that during budget time, the city is six
months ahead of the beginning of the fiscal year and you are trying to plan for
your needs, so you try to over estimate what you are going to expend and under
estimate the revenue to make your budget balance. Mr. Campbell advised that
both the mechanical mixer and the scrapers they are talking about are used at
the Wastewater Treatment Plant on its sludge. City Manager Malone said the
city could expend the entire amount of money and purchase some for that
amount of money for that purpose, or the city can spend less than one-half the
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money if this innovation appears to be working. Chairman Plata stated that you
could leave it like it is.
City Manager Malone advised that the city has engineers who have training and
expertise to make these recommendations and he felt that if the City Council
wanted to make a different recommendation, it would behoove each member
of the committee or the City Council to actually visit some of the facilities that
the city has and become familiar with the operations of these plants.
City Manager Malone passed out a memorandum on Councilman Plata's
Recommendation Number Three: ~'Eliminate $100,000.00 budgeted for new
valves to be installed while old ones could be rebuilt at the (sic) fraction of the
cost".
City Manager Malone said that on page four of the minutes of the Special City
Council Meeting of September 19, 2002, beginning with the second paragraph,
Councilman Plata questioned the proposed expenditure of $85,000.00 in line
item 10-0403-82-00, Filter beds and valves. The account was and is budgeted
for an $85,000.00 expenditure and is a maintenance account, not capital.
Mr. Campbell explained at the meeting in September that part of the funds in
this account were to be used to replace the effluent valve controller (not
valves) on ten valves on the filters. Mr. Campbell explained that the new rules
and regulations require that all of the filters be monitored continuously for the
quality of the water output. This water quality is charted continuously and is
kept as a record. Mr. Campbell explained that, if you surge the filters, then the
turbidity of the water will go up and will show up as a spike on our graphs.
The magnitude and duration of the spike is now regulated by TCEQ, and if we
have a spike ora certain magnitude and duration, we will be subject to public
notification and possible publication of a %oil water notice". These controls
were put on there eight years ago when the plant was modified and they are
wearing out. The new filter effluent controllers are more precise and will allow
the valves to be controlled more carefully, avoiding the violation of water
quality standards that are newly mandated.
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City Manager Malone said that at this time, four of the new controllers have
been installed and the other effluent valve controllers have already been
purchased and are awaiting installation. A large proportion of this maintenance
account is budgeted for the replacement of filter media which is gradually
washed out over time. He said that he had attached Exhibit II which is a list
of all of the items which might at one time or another have to be purchased
from this maintenance account. City Manager Malone said we are budgeting
a modest amount relative to the value of all items that would be purchased from
this account if you purchased them all at once. Of course, we don't expect to
have to purchase them all at once, we only budget a modest amount to take care
of known maintenance and to allow for other contingencies that might occur at
any time. He said that there was no planned expenditure for ~valves" being
budgeted.
City Manager Malone said that at this point in the fiscal year, they are
projecting a total expenditure of approximately $65,000.00 of the $85,000.00
budgeted for a possible savings of $20,000.00.
He surmised that the other $15,000.00 in Councilman Plata' s estimated savings
by not purchasing ~valves" could refer to account number 10-0413-81-00 -
Hydrants and Valves, although only $12,000.00 is budgeted in this line item
for the contingency of the need to repair or replace other valves or hydrants
used at the water treatment plant. At this point, no funds have been needed.
If no valves or hydrants are needed this fiscal year, then it is likely that these
funds will not be used resulting in a saving of $20,000.00.
City Manager Malone said between these two accounts, an estimated
$32,000.00 may be saved at the end of the year. He said that it will not be
possible to save the $100,000.00 projected by Councilman Plata.
City Manager Malone said he had attached to his memorandum concerning
Councilman Plata's Recommendation Number Three a copy of the minutes
from the budget workshop last year when this account was discussed. He also
included Exhibit I! showing a list of repair/replacement items that would be
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included in the Filter Beds and Valves Account. He said this is the total for all
ten filters and gives the number of units that potentially would be replaced and
the costs were given. The total would be $749,591.38; of course, they do not
expect to replace everything out there during any given fiscal year. Funds were
included in this account to provide new controllers for the effluent valves so
that they could be more carefully controlled and the plant operate within the
new specifications.
City Manager Malone explained a graph that Mr. Campbell passed around
basically showing the difference in the operation of the valves before and after
the installation of the new controllers. Chairman Plata asked Mr. Campbell if
he had already spent the money to buy these controllers for the valves. Mr.
Campbell said he had purchased and installed four controllers. Councilman
Weekly wanted to know if there was any place where the city could purchase
valves cheaper. Mr. Campbell said they were not talking about valves; they
were talking about controllers. Chairman Plata said they were the same thing.
Mr. Campbell disagreed with Chairman Plata. Mr. Campbell pointed out how
smooth the green is on the graph. Chairman Plata said he did not see how the
city was operating before and wanted to know if there was a problem with the
turbidity before. City Manager Malone said the rule was not in place before,
but the city is now trying to meet the requirements of the new rule. Mr.
Campbell said maybe he had his job wrong, but he feels he is supposed to
anticipate these things and they are not supposed to violate those rules and are
to do the things necessary to not violate the rules.
Councilwoman Neeley asked for an explanation of the word valve since
Chairman Plata used valve and Mr. Campbell uses the word controller and she
does not know what they are talking about. City Manager Malone suggested
that the committee tour the water treatment plant and have these items
explained first hand because several members of the committee have not seen
the facilities first hand.
Mr. Campbell pointed out that on the list attached to the City Manager's
memorandum there are filter control valves and valve actuators. He said that
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there are 51 valves, and attached to each valve is an actuator that makes the
valve work. Mr. Campbell said that ten, out of the fifty one, are control valves
that modulate the flow coming out of the filter. That flow is based on computer
signals that are sent to the modulating valve actuator to make sure that the
water coming out of the filters is maintained at a proper flow rate. Mr.
Campbell said the old ones were piston actuated and would hang and stick.
He said that actually, there were two kinds, there are valve actuators that just
open and shut a valve, but this one actually throttles the valve and maintains
a certain fixed, or semi-fixed position. He said that the new ones are a different
kind and they are much more capable of controlling the effluent flow and this
is what we are putting on. He said the city is actually buying controllers
instead of valves. Mr. Campbell said that they are using the old valves and he
anticipated that they might have to replace a valve or two; but so far they have
not had to do that. He said some of these valves are 35 to 40 years old.
City Manager Malone passed out a memorandum regarding Councilman Plata' s
Recommendation Number Four: ~Cut operators manning the water production
plant from 2 people per shift to 1 person per shift". The City Manager stated
that the mission of the Water Treatment Division of the Utilities Department
is to produce potable drinking water while protecting the health of the people
we serve by treating the drinking water properly while meeting exacting state
and federal standards as encompassed in the Safe Drinking Water Act and other
regulations, to ensure the protection of the health and safety of our employees,
and to perform this task as economically as possible.
City Manager Malone said the size and complexity and operating conditions
for the water treatment plant in Paris, Texas, at Lake Crook are considerably
different than those of the facilities in cities that have been furnished by
Councilman Plata for comparison purposes. He noted that the representatives
of OMI, in making their presentation, advised that each city's operation was
different.
City Manager Malone stated that there are very good reasons why the Utilities
Department is staffed as it is. He said that staff size has developed over many
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years to meet increasing regulatory responsibilities and to operate a greatly
expanded operation with more equipment and more tasks to be performed. He
said that, while the duties have greatly expanded in the past ten years, no
additional personnel have been added.
City Manager Malone advised that the number one reason for having a
minimum of two people manning the water production plant each shift is for
the health and safety of the public who consumes the water produced and,
equally important, to maintain the health and safety of our employees. A
secondary reason would be to provide an extra measure of protection for the
assets of the water treatment plant to prevent damage to the facility.
City Manager Malone advised that on one occasion, when he served on the City
Council, the only operator at the water plant fell asleep one night and failed to
turn off pumps which compounded the error of leaving the bonnet off of one of
the high service pumps being repaired. He said that this flooded the water
plant and put the plant out of production for several days. City Manager
Malone noted that the electric motors had to be pulled from the pumps and
shipped to Fort Worth, Texas, to be dried out at a cost of approximately half a
million dollars. He said that fortunately, at the time, the old Camp Maxey
water treatment plant could produce some water for the citizens, but industry
was curtailed and the situation was expensive for all concerned. There was a
lot of lost production in Paris and great danger to the public safety because of
this simple error.
City Manager Malone said on another occasion, the only operator on duty
slipped and fell approximately ten feet off the end of the filter deck and lay
unattended for some unknown time before he recovered and resumed his
duties. These two actual occurrences, he believed, effectively demonstrate the
need for two persons to be on duty at both plants during each shift.
City Manager Malone attached additional information to his memorandum. He
said that Mr. Campbell is present to discuss in detail why major staff
reductions are not advisable.
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City Manager Malone read Exhibit I to his memorandum pertaining to two
personnel on shift after hours and weekends as follows:
THE TREATMENT PLANT MUST BE MANNED ANY TIME WATER IS
BEING TREATED BY A ~C" CERTIFIED OPERATOR OR GREATER. AT
PRESENT, THE PARIS PLANT MUST BE IN OPERATION 24 HOURS A
DAY, 365 DAYS A YEAR, IN ORDER TO MEET DEMAND OR INSURE
ADEQUATE STORAGE. IT TAKES ONE YEAR OF HANDS-ON
EXPERIENCE AND ADDITIONAL TRAINING AND PASSING A STATE
TEST TO BECOME A ~C" CERTIFIED OPERATOR. THE LAW ALSO
SAYS THE PARIS PLANT MUST ALSO EMPLOY AT LEAST ONE ~B"
CERTIFIED OPERATOR. IN THE PAST EIGHTEEN YEARS THE CITY OF
PARIS HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO ATTRACT OR RECRUIT ANY ~B"
CERTIFIED OR HIGHER CERTIFIED OPERATORS TO THE WATER
TREATMENT PLANT. ALL HAVE BEEN TRAINED HERE ON SITE.
IN ORDER TO INSURE THAT ALL WATER QUALITY STATE
MANDATES ARE MAINTAINED, OPERATORS COLLECT OVER 167,000
SAMPLES FOR ANALYSIS AND RUN MORE THAN 250,000 ANALYSES
PER YEAR. EVERY HOUR OPERATORS COLLECT A SERIES OF
SAMPLES FROM VARIOUS PARTS OF THE PLANT AND SOME
SAMPLES MUST BE COLLECTED OFF-SITE DAILY. WE HAVE NOT
HAD ANY PUBLIC NOTIFICATION OF NON-COMPLIANCE OR FINES
TO THIS DATE. FOR EXAMPLE, ON SATURDAY, DECEMBER 7, 2002,
A 20" WATER MAIN RUPTURED. HAD THERE NOT BEEN TWO
CERTIFIED WATER PLANT OPERATORS ON SHIFT DURING THAT
TIME, THE CITY OF PARIS WATER TREATMENT PLANT WOULD
HAVE BEEN FORCED TO ANNOUNCE A PUBLIC NOTIFICATION TO
BOIL WATER DUE TO LOW DISTRIBUTION PRESSURE.
WATER PLANT PERSONNEL ALSO RECEIVED ALL CALLS FROM THE
RACO SCADA SYSTEM WHICH SERVE PRIMARILY WASTEWATER
LIFT STATIONS. THE OPERATOR MUST READ THE CALL, WHICH IS
20 LINES OF INFORMATION, AND INTERPRET WHAT ACTION MUST
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BE TAKEN, IF ANY. ALARM CALLS REQUIRE THE DISPATCHING OF
LIFT STATION PERSONNEL. WHEN ANY CONDITION CHANGES AT
THE LIFT STATION, THE OPERATOR MUST AGAIN CONTACT LIFT
STATION PERSONNEL AND HAVE THEM CONFIRM THIS SITUATION.
THE WATER PLANT OPERATOR MUST CONTACT THE POWER
PROVIDER AND ARRANGE FOR REPAIRS. FREQUENTLY, LOSS OF
POWER AFFECTING THE LIFT STATIONS CREATES A POWER
OUTAGE OVER A LARGE AREA OF THE POWER GRID AND RESULTS
IN A LOSS OF POWER AT GROUND STORAGE, PAT MAYSE PUMP
STATION, AND/OR THE TREATMENT PLANT. THE OPERATORS MUST
CONTEND WITH THESE PROBLEMS IN ADDITION TO DISPATCHING
FOR THE LIFT STATIONS. THE OPERATORS MUST IMPLEMENT A
DETAILED WRITTEN PROCEDURE FOR HANDLING POWER OUTAGE
ANY TIME THOSE OCCUR AND THIS ALSO INVOLVES DEPLOYING
EMERGENCY LIGHTS, STARTING THE GENERATOR, RECORDING
STORAGE LEVELS, AND SHUT DOWN OF SOME EQUIPMENT AND
OTHER DUTIES SPECIFIC TO AREAS AFFECTED BY AN OUTAGE. IF
IT WASN'T FOR THE RESPONSE TIME THAT IS ACHIEVED FOR
HAVING TWO PERSONNEL ON SHIFT, THE CITY OF PARIS WOULD
MOST PROBABLY STILL BE UNDER CERTAIN ADMINISTRATIVE
ORDERS FROM THE STATE FOR WASTEWATER OVERFLOWS AND
BYPASSES.
THERE WERE MORE THAN 2,600 ALARM CALLS LAST YEAR. FOR
EVERY ALARM CONDITION THERE MUST BE A RETURN-TO-
NORMAL CALL AND LIFT STATION PERSONNEL AGAIN MUST BE
CONTACTED. SOME ALARMS ARE FOR LOW PRESSURE AT THOSE
LIFT STATIONS WITH PRESSURE MONITORS AND OFTEN PUBLIC
WORKS MUST BE CONTACTED TO CHECK FOR A WATER LEAK IN
THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM IN THE AREA OF THE ALARM. THERE
ARE POLL CALLS 3 TIMES A DAY OF ALL EIGHTEEN RACE UNITS TO
VERIFY WORKING CONDITIONS, OR 1,095 PER YEAR. THERE ARE
ALSO 4 AUTO CALLS PER DAY TO ALSO VERIFY THE WORKING
CONDITION OF UNITS, OR 1460 CALLS PER YEAR. OPERATORS ARE
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THEREFORE READING OVER A HALF MILLION LINES OF DATA PER
YEAR FOR THE RACE SYSTEM.
WATER PLANT OPERATORS ALSO RECEIVE ALL CALLS FOR
SERVICE FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT ON WEEKENDS
AND AFTER HOURS AND DISPATCH PERSONNEL LOGS OF ALL
ACTIONS MUST BE RECORDED, WITH OVER 800 REQUESTS LAST
YEAR. THIS INCLUDES NOTIFYING DIG TEST OF LOCATIONS WHERE
PUBLIC WORKS PERSONNEL NEED TO DIG TO REPAIR WATER
LINES.
IT IS NOT FEASIBLE FOR LESS THAN TWO PERSONS PER SHIFT TO
CONSISTENTLY INSURE A SAFE AND ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY
FOR THE PUBLIC AT ALL TIMES AND UNDER ALL CONDITIONS. A
SINGLE PERSON ON DUTY COULD POSE A RISK TO PUBLIC HEALTH
AND SAFETY OR FAILURE TO MEET STATE AND FEDERAL
REQUIREMENTS UNDER SOME CIRCUMSTANCES. WE MUST
ADEQUATELY STAFF THE TREATMENT PLANT AT ALL TIMES TO
INSURE THE PUBLIC IS NEVER EVEN POTENTIALLY PLACED IN
JEOPARDY.
City Manager Malone said that many comments made in those documents also
relate to the manning of the wastewater treatment plant and recommendation
number 5 by Councilman Plata was to cut operators manning the wastewater
treatment plant from 2 people per shift to 1 person per shift.
The City Manager said that some of the plants in some of the other cities are
being compared to our plants, even though we have not been to see them, are
not the same type plants. He said that they are not of the same complexity and
they do not require the same vigilance and operation as the city's. City
Manager Malone explained that the operations of these systems are complex.
He said that these comparisons cannot be made in such a simplified manner
without spending money on consultants to do a real comparison in detail. He
stated that there are some differences between Paris and the cities that the City
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of Paris has been compared with by Mr. Plata. He said it is a very serious
business to treat water and it has the most potential of anything that the city
does to effect the public health and safety of citizens. He stated that it is the
most potentially dangerous activity that we participate in. Mr. Malone said
ours is a complex system and does not lend itself to simplistic comparatives.
City Manager Malone pointed out, as the OMI people pointed out, all of these
systems are different. He said that they are not going to come in and give you
a standard contract and price. Mr. Malone said that they are going to come in
and have you research for six months and tell them everything that you do and
every kind of system that you have and spell out all of the parameters of what
they are expected to do and then they are going to give you a cost plus price
with an annualized CP! adjustment. He said in order to make critical
recommendations other than incremental type suggestions that we take part in
at budget workshops, he felt that if the city's committee and council is going
to make recommendations without consulting with an engineering firm, then
they actually need to visit these facilities and get hands on experience and
explanations from the personnel that operate these systems.
City Manager Malone recalled that when he took office as City Manager, Paris
had a history of borrowing money, spending the money to build a facility like
a water plant or a wastewater plant, and then totally ignoring the maintenance.
He said that there were years when they did not spend money on maintenance
and the water and wastewater plants were just rotting down. He said that when
they rotted down, another study would be done and the plant would completely
be rebuilt and that is very costly. Mr. Malone discussed a situation where our
people were endangered in their work environment and said that there were no
safety features. City Manager Malone recalled that at the wastewater plant,
they had to climb down a wet board over the channels to lubricate bearings, and
all that has been corrected. He said that more than ten years ago, they did
increase personnel for safety purposes and to be able to perform the routine
preventative maintenance, which is saving the citizens money. He said that it
is saving our rate payers money to do this maintenance and this was not done
before. Mr. Malone said that preventive maintenance will make the plants last
a lot longer and, when you have to start all over, that is a big ticket item.
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City Manager Malone said it is not wise to cut personnel. He said there are a
couple of recommendations to cut personnel from both of these plants. He said
that Mr. Plata's Recommendation No. 8 is to eliminate personnel from lift
stations. He said that Mr. Campbell has got very detailed information to
account for all of the man hours involved in the operation of the lift stations
system. He said it is not feasible at all to eliminate the lift station crews and
depend on the other maintenance personnel at the water and wastewater plant
to take over those duties. He said it is not practical and it is not reasonable.
Mr. Malone said cutting those personnel would result in a very critical
situation where we have been threatened with penalties in the past. The city
has had penalties in the past and at this time the city has that situation under
control and those lift stations are being maintained. City Manager Malone said
that Mr. Plata was comparing Paris to some of these other cities who also have
personnel manning their lift stations and have other ways of addressing that
maintenance, and that some of those cities do not have lift stations the size of
the ones that Paris has. He said that Paris has tremendous facilities that move
a lot of wastewater, and if you make a mistake, it can be costly. He said that
those employees that the city has on the lift station crew are doing a great job.
He said that they have been maintaining the system in such a way that all they
really have to worry about is lightning storms and pieces of trash getting in
there and stopping up the pumps. He said we have a high degree of
competence and a high degree of maintenance. He said that our lift station
crew know the pumps and they know the parameters. He said that they know
when the pumps are pumping, and what they should be doing. They know how
the maintenance is supposed to be done, and they know when the equipment
is performing correctly. He said that these employees know how to work on
them along with knowing what type equipment is needed to work on them.
Mr. Campbell passed out a spread sheet where the first three pages are for those
lift stations at the locations across the top and went over it with the committee.
He discussed the FEB as an example where they spent 121 man hours doing
pump repairs and preventive maintenance. He said the 11.2% on the
spreadsheet is the amount of time at that particular station where the pump
repairs were performed and preventive maintenance, and if you read down the
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column, you can tell how much time at that station they spent doing each one
of those increments.
City Manager Malone advised that the forms that Mr. Campbell uses to collect
this information is similar to what the consultants at OMI use. He said that the
city already has all these things. Mr. Campbell stated that none of these were
in place when he came to the city. He said the first thing they did was fill out
a daily time sheet. The second thing that was created was a service request and
completion report. Anytime an employee is in a vehicle, a vehicle use log is
used. He said that this tells the mileage from the start, who was with the
employee in that vehicle, the total mileage, and what work was done. He
explained another form that is a request for adjustment to pay or time off. Mr.
Campbell said using those four forms, they went back and looked at our data
and this spread sheet was created from that data. David Wims informed the
committee that before Mr. Campbell came to Paris, the way they kept their time
was they would receive a telephone call from Public Works and asked if anyone
was missing that day. He said that there were no recordings of what activities
were going on at all; now they know what everyone is doing. He said there has
been a tremendous change since the 1986 expansion. He said there were blood
weeds 8 or 9 feet tall around the plants. He recalled that the basement at the
water treatment plant was filled with lime three feet deep.
Chairman Plata stated that the first lift station breakdown Mr. Campbell had
given him prior to this meeting for the 2002 repairs is not the same as this
spreadsheet. Mr. Campbell advised that those were repairs made that required
a part to be used. Mr. Campbell said he did not realize that Chairman Plata
wanted so much detail, so he went back and made this one.
Chairman Plata stated that the Lift Station budget has four personnel. City
Manager Malone said that was correct and the city is a training ground.
Sometimes there is an open position and, in the past few years, he has kept a
position in the lift station division, water production division, and one at the
wastewater treatment plant. He said sometimes the city fills that position, there
might be someone training, or some drops off, but most of the time the city is
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saving that money. City Manager Malone said what he would like to
recommend to the committee is that they take some time and visit these
facilities and actually see in person what the facilities are, how complex they
are, get demonstrations on how the system works and actually understand how
these processes work in treating water and treating wastewater and what a lift
station does, how large it is, and where it is located, and get some sense of what
type business the city is running. He said it is difficult to envision that some
major changes could be made in our operation based on data that is really not
relevant to what it is that we are trying to do because this is a very serious
matter that affects the public health along with the economy of our town. He
said they are committed to work in ways that are reasonable and in ways where
the city could cut back. City Manager Malone said the proposed budgets are
coming in from the department heads and he will be working on those this next
week. He stated that one area of concern is the Campbell Soup rate and it is on
all of our minds. City Manager Malone said the wastewater does not have a
serious impact on that, and they will be looking at all the things for the next
year and see if we can find ways to hold it down and level it out and recoup.
City Manager Malone said the city is in the red and is approaching the situation
of violating our bond covenants. He said there is a water production study
going on and when that is completed, the city will know what our plant
capacity is and what the plant actually treats along with what we have available
for sale. The City Manager said we have been discussing our water treatment
plant capacity as being 36 million gallons a day and that is the designed
production of that plant at a .5 turbidity unit, and that has changed. He said
that the regulations have gone down to a .3 turbidity unit and this is going to
change the capacity of our plant. He explained another limitation on the plants
production as we have a contract with Lamar Power Partners to provide up to
8 million gallons per day of raw water. He said that, presently, the city can
receive 28 million gallons a day of raw water from Pat Mayse with the facilities
that we have. The City Manager said they were doing a study to see how
much silt that is in Lake Crook, but they have the possibility of delivering 8
million gallons a day for Lake Crook, so that bring us up to 28 million gallons
a day. He explained that, due to these factors, at this time, under no
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circumstance would the city be able to actually run 36 million gallons a day
through that plant because the city does not have the available water to do it.
He said that there are many variables in this and the time of the year is going
to make a difference. He said before we sit down with our contract customers
like Lamar County Water Supply or anyone else who might wish to have the
availability of more water, we had to have the production study completed. He
said that before the city can negotiate that contract or any contract, the city
needs the results of that study to know what capacity is available because the
city does not know.
Chairman Plata gave a handout and advised that this is a schedule that Mr.
Campbell gave him for Water Production. He has been looking at this and, if
he is reading it correctly, the number two' s are day personnel; they work in the
daytime. Mr. Campbell said that is correct. Chairman Plata said the number
three's works on the shift, 4:00 P.M. to midnight. The number one's work
nights, midnight to 8:00 A.M. Chairman Plata said he looked at this and the
city has three operators on Tuesday and has two operators on days, Wednesday
the city has four operators, Thursday the city has three operators, and on Friday
the city has three operators. He said that, on the weekends the city is back to
two operators, and another thing, the city has one operator on nights along with
one maintenance worker, which makes sense to him, and on second shift the
city has two operators. He asked, ~Where is the maintenance worker?" He said
there is an overlapping taking place and it appears excessive to him. Chairman
Plata pointed out that with him being in maintenance and taking care of
equipment, he did not understand the feasability of the city not having a
maintenance worker on second shift with these operators. Mr. Campbell went
back and explained that the first shift is from midnight to 8:00 A.M., the
second shift goes from 8:00 A.M. to 4:00 P.M. and the third shift is from 4:00
P.M. to midnight. Councilwoman Neeley said that anything that is a two is
from 8:00A.M. to 4:00 P.M. She said she sees what Chairman Plata is saying,
all these maintenance workers are designated as two's, which is the 8:00 A.M.
to 4:00 P.M. shift, except for two which are on the night shift, and she wanted
to know what happens on that night shift. Mr. Campbell advised that they do
not do maintenance on that shift. He said that they do not need to do
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maintenance and the midnight shift, when there is no one out there, this
maintenance person cleans up, sweeps the floors, mops, paints, and does all the
janitorial type things. Chairman Plata asked if on second shift there was a
pump problem, would a maintenance man be called in. Mr. Campbell said that,
yes, they would call a maintenance man in. Mr. Campbell went back to the list
of operators and asked the committee to look at the last three employees,
Kendall Esch, Jerry Rico, and Brandon Lewis. He said that those are all
relatively new operators, so they are still in training, and they do not just stick
them on the midnight shift. He said that the training is why they are on the
daytime shift. Mr. Campbell said they will be working around all of the shifts
because, later on, the midnight shift is probably the easiest shift.
Gene Anderson, Director of Finance, asked Mr. Campbell if the demands on
the system make a difference on how you schedule the employees. Mr.
Campbell stated that it really did not make a difference. He said it is the extra
curricular things that the employees have to do that has the effect on the
scheduling. He gave an example of cutoff day, when the ones that come on at
4:00 P. M. spend two hours just answering the telephone because the people
in the Finance Department have gone home at 5:00 P.M. after cutting off
unpaid accounts.
Chairman Plata said the wastewater treatment plant is about the same as the
water treatment plant. Mr. Campbell replied that most of the maintenance is
done in the daytime. Chairman Plata said that by checking the budget, that
department increased by two employees this year. Mr. Anderson advised that
it could be a typo and he would check. Mr. Anderson said that, to the best of
his knowledge, there had not been an increase in the number of employees in
the wastewater treatment plant.
Chairman Plata stated that after looking at the schedule, at the time he started
checking he was not out to cut anybody's j ob or anything, but then he started
checking people.
Chairman Plata said Mr. Campbell said his numbers were wrong and he called
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Greenville back and talked to Larry Olson who is their Water Superintendent.
Chairman Plata said Mr. Olson told him that he does not have maintenance in
water production. Mr. Olson said that there are four employees that stay in
sewer maintenance and they provide maintenance for the water production and
sewer maintenance by splitting their time. Mr. Campbell said he had talked
to Mr. Olson several times, but he did not have that information. Chairman
Plata asked Mr. Campbell if Mr. Olsen had told him, as far as the lift stations,
about the SSIP. Mr. Campbell said he did. Chairman Plata said that is a Sewer
System Improvement Project and they are in trouble like Paris was about the
manholes overflowing. He said what they are doing is a capital project and
they have 7 people placed in this division and they work manholes, sewer and
any breaks in the sewer system, but they also gave them the lift stations. Mr.
Campbell said there are two people out of that SSIP Program that take care of
the lift stations. He said that those 2 people are dedicated to the lift stations
and also work on other things, but they mainly do work on the lift stations. Mr.
Campbell said Greenville has 13 lift stations where the City of Paris has 18 lift
stations and Greenville's largest pump at the lift station is about a 35 HP, and
the City of Paris's largest pump is 148 HP. Mr. Campbell also added that on
the SSIP Program they have been charging $0.90 per 1,000 gallons extra on
their sewer charge for the last five years and they are getting ready to sell 10
million dollars of Water and Sewer Revenue Bonds so they can finish up that
SSIP Project. He said that is going to affect Greenville's water and sewer rate
the same way that debt affects the rate for the City of Paris.
Mr. Plata said that people have told him that he has been had because Mr.
Campbell says his numbers are not correct; but he did not think so. He said he
is getting his input by talking to all of the other cities. He said that the more
he talks to people the more he has seen that improvements can be made in the
operation of the water production and the wastewater treatment plants.
City Manager Malone asked Chairman Plata if he had seen Greenville's plant
and he said no. City Manager Malone said the two plants are completely
different. Mr. Campbell said he has a lot of information on Greenville because
he has a copy of their budget. Chairman Plata said Greenville is having to cut
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down on the amount of employees they have in the wastewater and water plants
because their City Council was ready to privatize.
City Manager Malone advised, that just a couple of weeks ago, the City
Manager of Greenville told him that Greenville only reduced their staffing by
two. He also said that the privatization discussion happened 7 or 8 years ago
and that EPA had recommended against privatization. He said that the
Council in Greenville talked about it and turned it down completely.
Greenville did not reduce a vast number of employees like we have been
discussing here. They eliminated two positions according to the City Manager.
He said we have already been talking about three positions that we typically do
not keep filled anyway because he has been holding the cost back because we
have been having a flat budget. He has been trying to make it with these low
budgets. Chairman Plata said he did not understand why you include people
that are not in the budget because it goes against the cost of everything. City
Manager Malone explained that there are a lot of things that happen. The city
has just had a major problem at the water treatment plant, and he does not
know how much it cost, but $10,000.00 of that was not budgeted. He said
these line items move around, you might budget $85,000.00 and wind up at the
end of the year saving $30,000.00 of it because you have made a different
decision or found another way to solve a problem; but you have to have some
type of money in your budget for the contingency. He said that you cannot
always count on lucking out or coming up with something to cut a corner. He
added that you have to have some type of money in the budget and it is going
to change from year to year. Chairman Plata said you are going to do this with
empty spots for people in the budget. City Manager Malone said no they are
not going to be empty spots because they believe those positions are necessary
they provide those positions to use for training because the city cannot hire
anyone here for what we paid to start someone out that has that kind of license.
He said that the city has to train them and work them up to the positions. He
stated that he is not saying that we are not looking at reducing those three
positions. He is saying that he has held those position back because Mr.
Campbell is always telling him he needs those positions and get them trained
because we may have two positions open at one time and we may have to let
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someone go. City Manager Malone stated that he was not being disrespectful
to people who are just learning.
Councilwoman Neeley asked whether when Mr. Plata called back to Greenville
and they talked employee numbers, did Greenville have people doing work in
the water and sewer that are not in the water and sewer budget, but located
somewhere else. Chairman Plata stated that they are in the water and sewer
budget but they are in another division off of water and sewer. City Manager
Malone said that further illustrates what we have been saying. You cannot
make simplistic comparisons with Greenville or any other city because they
have a different treatment process. City Manager Malone said he is willing to
look at anything, be conservative, cut back, and he felt that they have been
doing that, but we are always looking at ways to help the City of Paris. City
Manager Malone pointed out that this is an on going process. He said that if
they find a way to save money or solve a problem where they do not have to go
buy something off the shelf, they are going to do it. He said he has seen people
at the plants innovate things that are just unbelievable. City Manager Malone
said he went out there one time when he was on the City Council, and a man
had fallen off into the sewer channel and scratched himself because he was
laying down on a 2" x 12" board that was molded and wet and he could have
drowned if he hit on his head with no one out there. He said that has been
corrected. He explained that there are now safety rails, cat walks, automatic
greasers and they cleaned that place up and they have the proper people to do
the maintenance and training for the people and proper supervision. He said
that this also applies to the water treatment plant. He said he was proud of the
things these people have done and he did not think this should be taken lightly
that we just make a simplistic comparison and say that we are not doing a good
job. He felt that the Committee and the City Council, as a whole, they need
workshops and they needed to go out and look that what they are talking about.
City Manager Malone said there is a water and sewer rate increase before he
city, and these suggestions are not going to solve that problem. What is
driving that water and sewer rate increase is the mandates and the debt and
there is very little impact that any tweaking or major whacking on these
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employers is going to have on this water and sewer rate. City Manager Malone
said they are going to try to figure out a way to work with the committee and
try to find ways to be innovative and to do the best that they could do. He said
they are going to take a close look at it and that staff was talking with Campbell
Soup and felt that they can come up with a rate for them that is a little more
palatable.
Mr. Campbell asked Chairman Plata if Mr. Olson told him how much it cost to
produce a thousand gallons of water? Chairman Plata said he got the charge for
how much they charge for water. Mr. Campbell said the City of Paris
produces water for $0.56 per thousand gallons; Greenville produces the same
amount of water for $0.79 per thousand gallons; Corsicana produces it for
$0.62 per thousand gallons; Mt. Pleasant produces for $0.55 per thousand
gallons; Denison produces for $0.48 per thousand gallons, but 25% of their
water comes from water wells and it is going to be lower. The person he spoke
to in Sherman was the Director of Engineering in Utilities and he said to have
Mr. Plata call him so he could explain it to him because it is too complicated
to talk about on the telephone and to get it second hand because they have a lot
of different cost areas that goes into their water production rate. He said, for
example, Sherman has wells which furnish only part of the city with water and
they have a plant which furnishes the other part of the city and on the tail end
of that plant, they have a another system that takes salt and other chemicals out
of the water because they get their water from Lake Texoma, which has salt in
it. Mr. Campbell said, not knowing their cost, but take Greenville for instance,
they have fewer people, but it cost more money to produce their water.
Relating it to people does not have a lot to do with it as far as that goes; that
part of it, but it is not all of it by any means. Chairman Plata said the way he
sees it putting maintenance on instead of operators will only benefit the city.
Mr. Campbell said it depends on what they are doing. Mr. Campbell asked if
Chairman Plata has a problem with them doing maintenance during day light
hours, he said he did not understand what the problem is. Chairman Plata said
he had a problem with all of the people on maintenance out there being on day
light hours because there cannot be that much work to keep all those
maintenance people busy. City Manager Malone said he had been dealing with
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the water treatment plant from more than 20 years and he does not feel
qualified to make these types of recommendations without getting the input of
qualified engineers and qualified operators. He said he was comfortable with
the operation and he could see results. He said he knew what the operation
was, and he knows what it is now. Chairman Plata said he knew maintenance
and he knows for a fact that he has dealt with heavy equipment the type that is
used at the water treatment plant, the pumps and valves. Chairman Plata said
that cannot take that long. Mr. Campbell said these maintenance workers go
out under the spray field where the city deposes of the sludge. He said that
Greenville landfills their sludge and wanted to know how long the EPA is going
to let them keep land filling their sludge. He answered the question by saying
not very long. He said that their permit in Greenville is up for renewal.
Chairman Plata said at the water treatment plant you have one supervisor, an
operator IV, two operator III's and five operator II's for a total of eight
employees. What he is suggesting is the city go with shifts with one operator
on each shift for a total of four shifts. You will have one straight day operator
and one supervisor, you will have one Maintenance IV, one II! level
maintenance, two level II maintenance, and one level I maintenance for a total
of seven. If you put these employees on shifts along with the operators, then
you will have two people on a shift all the time around the clock. Mr.
Campbell said they did not need maintenance workers on all shifts. Chairman
Plata said that at the Sewer Treatment Plant you have one supervisor, you have
three level IV operators, four level III operators, four level II operators, and one
level I operator for a total of nine employees.
Chairman Plata said he was proposing the same thing: one shift operator, and
on maintenance you have one level II maintenance worker, you have three II
level maintenance workers, you have three level II maintenance workers, and
you have six level ! maintenance workers and you go to four shifts, one worker
per shift. He said that way you will have two people out there around the clock
and two straight maintenance workers in the daytime. He said you will have
a total of 6 maintenance personnel and they will work at both places especially
when there is work to do. He said you could let one be at the water treatment
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and one be at the wastewater treatment. Councilman Plata said that there will
be a total of 6 people at the water production plant Monday through Friday;
there will be one supervisor, two operators, and three maintenance workers. He
said that there will be a total of five people at the sewer treatment plant Monday
through Friday; one supervisor, one operator, and three maintenance workers.
He said that these employees will have to work 12 hours shifts and not over-
lap. Chairman Plata said he has some demonstrations of 12 hour shifts and
gave the committee a copy of his proposed schedule of shifts.
Chairman Plata said that he even went to Police Chief Louis who has just
changed to the 12 hour shifts. He said when you go to 12 hour shifts, you work
three days and get three days off. He said that the city can try this, and the
people might even like it. He said that the city can keep them straight shifts
and that the city wouldn't have to rotate them back from night to days and they
will have two weekends off a month.
Mr. Anderson asked Chairman Plata how many hours a week will that be.
Chairman Plata said that if you work them straight it would be 42 hours a week
and total 84 hours every two weeks. Chairman Plata said in the Police
Department they have one person come in for eight hours and they are able to
keep the hours at 80, and they say it is working out real well. Mr. Anderson
asked if they work 4 days at 12 hours? Chairman Plata said they were working
three days one week and four days the next week. Mr. Campbell asked if
Chairman Plata was telling him that you are comparing the work in the Police
Department with the work at the wastewater treatment plant. Chairman Plata
said he was not comparing the work, but he was tell him the coverage is more
economical to cover this with 12 hour shifts than it is 8 hour shifts. Mr.
Campbell said he was talking about the work involved and the people involved.
Becky Weems asked about the vacation and sick time. Chairman Plata said
those are covered by people who are off. He said that they have to come in and
work in the place of the person who is going to be off.
Anna Wims questioned the accidents that happen in your plant because she
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worked for Earth Grains for a while and she worked those long shifts and there
were a lot of accidents. She said that in the water and wastewater plants we
do not have a lot of accidents because we do not have those long 12 hours
shifts. Chairman Plata said the night shifts you get tired and he thought that
there has been one accident occurred and it happened on days, but the normal
is muscle strains or pulled backs or things of that nature. David Wims advised
that for the most part, the people who work at the water plant are not people
who are geared for 12 hour shifts. He said that they feel pretty well brutalized
at the end of eight hours. Mr. Anderson stated that the other issue is the week
they work four days, that is 8 hours overtime. He said it does not work that
way with the Police Department because they fall under a different law. He
said that if they were called in to work a shift for someone that did not come in,
all of those hours will be overtime. Chairman Plata said that anything over 40
hours is what Kimberly Clark did, you do not get paid hours over eight. Mr.
Anderson pointed out that would be 48 hours and the city would have to pay
for 8 hours overtime plus if someone is out and you called them back, that
would be all overtime. City Attorney Schenk advised that the Police
Department is under Civil Service law and they had to elect to change their
schedule.
At 5:56 P.M., Chairman Plata announced that the committee would take a short
break.
At 6:08, Chairman Plata reconvened the meeting.
Chairman Plata said that the schedule that he had given out is a Kimberly Clark
schedule.
Skipper Steely said, as a citizen, he is probably the only one who remembered
Bill King and the way it went before Mr. Campbell took over the Utilities, and
also the only citizen in here that has studied all these budgets from all these
towns, that you have mentioned. Mr. Steely said he could not find a
comparable way to ever compare any town in any category with Paris. He said
that Paris is unique, different, but he has seen this plant from the time where
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you would not put a foot in that creek to a few years later where you wanted to
drink the water coming out of that creek. He said that it smelled good. Mr.
Steely said he watched the whole thing evolve from just a piece of junk to an
efficiently run, pretty nice plant that he would trust completely. Mr. Steely
stated that he disagreed with Mr. Malone a lot. He said that he has been
informed all these years and watched every budget since 1968. He also
watched the water plant be created in Commerce and he knows a little bit about
the creation of the plant. One of the things he agrees completely with Mr.
Malone is he hires people that are good. There is not one manager in this
whole group that he has hired that he wouldn't trust. Mr. Steely stated that he
did not believe that a City Council should micro-manage nor a School Board.
He said that when you get into micro-managing then you might as well fire the
guy. He said that Mr. Plata was trying to be a more of an expert than the guy
you hired and if he disappoints you that much, then you get to the point where
you budget strictly and then he operates off that budget. He said that to get into
micro-managing and start talking about shifts and people and how many
categories to work together is not what the City Council is designed to do. He
said it is designed to set policy and then you have the option of removing the
Manager if you do not like the way the policy is done. The City Manager has
the option of removing the Water Superintendent if he does not like they way
it is done. Mr. Steely said he watched it happen one day. He said that for
weeks and months, Mr. Campbell had a good time just messing around and
enjoying life and Mr. Malone walked up and took him away, but we have had
one heck ora nice operation and that he would bet on that Mr. Campbell needs
what he says needs. Mr. Steely said, to get into micro-management, he has
worked 12 hour shifts at Kimberly Clark and he has watched 6 people operate
a machine that should have had four on it. He watched the engineers
streamline the machine to where there is only four and eliminate those one or
two as you go down the line looking at the machine. Mr. Steely said he
watched people sleep at night on 12 hour shift and he had watched people get
hurt. He said that 12 hour shifts are terrible to him and in talking to J. Mac
Janes, who works and Kimberly Clark, there was not a guy on the floor over 50
years old. He said that those shifts are not made for the normal work that takes
some decision making. He said the K/C machines are made to run like a
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printing press; once you get them set and going, you can let them run. Mr.
Steely stated that he did not think you can run a water plant that way. Mr.
Steely stated that it would take a lot more studying and planning before he
would ever change any of our system here, but the best way is through the
budgeting process.
Chairman Plata stated that he was tired of seeing taxes going up and the rates
going up and that is about all they seem to do. He said that staff do not know
how to budget and they do not know how to cut costs, or they do not want to.
He said he has seen an opportunity here and that he wasn't one to do this. He
wanted to check with other cities and make sure everything comes back
because he always gets hammered because the water rates are going up and that
is what people are already griping about. Mr. Steely said that when someone
tells you what their water bill is and when they say $70.00, Mr. Steely told
Chairman Plata to ask them what portion of that is for water. Chairman Plata
said it does not matter; that when people look at their water bill they look at the
total bill. Mr. Steely said it does matter. He said that customers need to be
educated on what the water bill is because those other things on the bill are
nice amenities that city has to take care of for the city that can be clean and
there are things that each Council has voted on down through the last thirty
years to be place on the water bill. Mr. Steely said the water bills are not that
high, his water cost him $6.75 and the sewer is about the same and he did not
use water on those three months they tell me not to use it in the winter so he
can water his lawn in the summer and fall.
Mr. Steely asked Mr. Plata to jump on the county contract. Chairman Plata
said he realized about the county contract and that is another issue and he asked
the water consultant about that. Mr. Steely stated that Mr. Campbell figured
out a way to make his departments more efficient, and that is fine. Chairman
Plata said he was concerned about the citizens and the people that are retired
and on fixed incomes. Mr. Steely stated that they make more than he does, and
he understands and he does not want to try to raise that money. He said that he
wanted them to water their lawns and make this town beautiful. Mr. Steely
again stated that the City Council is here to set policy; not to manage what
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these managers were hired to do to do. He said that is not the way it is set up.
He said that the city will not run properly, if you want to do that; you will lose
your good managers. He said that it is the City Manager's job to do this. He
told Mr. Plata that it is his job is to set the budget and tell the manager how you
want it run and make sure the city doesn't get in trouble and that is basically
it.
Chairman Plata said that the city would be better situated to put the lift station
employees in the sewer maintenance department of Public Works and sewer
maintenance could help them and that would take a big relief for some of them.
Anna Wims explained that this crew is essential. She said that you have to
have them, depending on whether they can break away from the wastewater
treatment plant. She said that you are going to have sewage cut off at houses
and you will have upset citizens. Ms. Wims said you would not want that to
happen at your plant because it will stop production. Chairman Plata said they
were still leaving two people dedicated to lift stations, but they are working out
of the sewer maintenance. He said he did not believe that they are that busy.
Ms. Wims said that these men work hard. She said she works with these men
and they are necessary. She said Chairman Plata needs to come out and see the
facilities, because he did not understand it. She said he was talking about
eliminating things from the budget, and he was talking about peoples' health.
There are things in the water such as Cryptosporidium, this can kill people,
and we are suppose to be preventing that from happening. She said that the
biggest priority is safe drinking water. Ms. Wims said that if you do not
understand the need for things that you want removed from the budget, you can
potentially kill people in this town.
Councilwoman Neeley said that she did not think that any of the committee or
the people who voted to create this Ad Hoc Committee and have them serve on
it meant in any way, shape, or form for the committee to be micro-managing
what goes on at the water and sewer plants. She said that, as City Manager
Malone indicated earlier, she was as much a water person as anybody else due
to living with Charlie Neeley for all those years. She said they were elected by
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the people to look at how the city' s money is spent how the budget is prepared
and, whatever comes out of this, she felt it is a very valuable thing because they
have gotten a lot public awareness of the problems that Mr. Campbell faces
every day in his departments, and what Mr. Malone faces trying to make a
budget and what the City Council faces trying to give people a Cadillac city on
a Ford Escort budget. She said that no one is mad at anyone no one is trying
to cause anyone to lose a job. She said that they are just trying to find a way
to stretch this rubber band that has stretch ed about as far as it can go and not
break it. Councilwoman Neeley stated that Councilman Plata has done all the
work and spent his time doing all the calling to gathering the information that
he has presented. She said that the City Council has got to also find a way so
that we do not run people out of town because we are careless with the city
funds.
Chairman Plata said they are not trying to micro-manage they are trying to
eliminate some of the budget.
Mr. Campbell stated that he agreed with what Councilwoman Neeley said and
they try to do that to. So we are not here just to go out and spend all this
money, we want to get something for our money.
Mr. Campbell stated that he wanted to explain that the controllers on these
valves have to precisely control the water. He said it is no different in
Kimberly Clark controlling the tension on a sheet of plastic by the speed of
spline. It has to be done; otherwise, you are going to lose a lot of money.
Chairman Plata said that is correct. Councilwoman Neeley want to know if the
new controllers that were purchased can be maintained and kept in operation
like they have done everything else at the water treatment plant. Mr. Campbell
explained that the new ones are of a much higher quality than those being
replaced. The new ones will last a lot longer by just the nature of being
because they only have two moving parts where the old ones have nine moving
parts. Mr. Campbell advised that the pieces they have removed can be used on
these other valves that simply open and close. Mr. Wims advised that some
of those pistons were put in in1965. Mr. Campbell said they have been rebuilt
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over and over and now the city can buy a new controller for $2,500.00. In
order to rebuild just the piston alone that you are controlling will cost
$1,800.00 to $1,900.00. Chairman Plata questioned the cost for the 10 he was
replacing at a cost of $85,000.00. City Manager Malone indicated that was
incorrect. Mr. Campbell said the controllers were on the list that was furnished
and they cost about $3,000.00 each. City Manager Malone advised that this is
a budget account included filter media and others things. He said that it is a
maintenance budget and the minutes do not reflect that.
Councilman Plata said regarding his handout he was suggesting that with the
cut of 13 employees from the water production and sewer treatment plants, and
two from the lift stations, (he figured the salaries of 15 employees on an annual
average of $25,000.00) for a total of $375,000.00. He added 20% for benefits
for a total of $75,000.00. Chairman Plata said you could forget the
$100,000.00 for valves eliminated from the budget and remove the sludge
removal equipment eliminated from the budget of $40,000.00, but you say can
cut as much as $20,000.00. He said that the $18,000.00 for a new vehicle can
be eliminated.
Chairman Plata said the new manpower schedule he has outlined will give the
water production plant and the water treatment plant coverage around the clock.
He said it will put maintenance personnel on shift along with a production
operator. Councilman Plata said that the personnel will go to a rotating shift,
which is a more economical method of manning plants around the clock. Also,
he said, this schedule would give three maintenance people along with two
production operators and a supervisor on days for any major breakdowns. He
said, looking at the maintenance breakdown sheets that were provided by Mr.
Campbell, the manpower that will be allocated to the plant should be sufficient
to handle any problems. He said, along with these cuts, all of the tractors and
mowing equipment can be taken to the parks department. He explained that
one riding mower, one push mower and one weed eater can be left at the water
production plant and at the sewer treatment plant so the yards around the
buildings and roads can be maintained. The parks department could be grown
by 4 to 6 people so to be responsible for mowing the outlying fields at the
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water production plant, sewer treatment plant, and the lift stations.
Chairman Plata said there is a big piece of property on Center Street that was
donated to the city for recreational purposes. He said that now is the time for
a backstop to be put up and maybe a couple of soccer goals so teams can have
places to practice. He said that, also, when the sports complex and the new
police station come on line, the personnel will hopefully be in place to provide
upkeep on the grounds.
Chairman Plata said he had said before that he does not enjoy proposing job
cuts, but he felt that serious cuts are needed to avoid raising rates too much.
He said that also, there is a more economical way to manage the water and
sewer plants and we should be striving to reach those goals.
Mr. Campbell stated that they strive everyday to manage as best as they can.
Mr. Campbell advised that he has two problems with these two proposals. One
problem, he said, is he does not need a maintenance man on every shift; he
needs those maintenance men out there during daylight hours doing the major
part of the maintenance and he would rather do anything else. He said that if
he could get rid of the mowing, that would be the most wonderful thing in the
world, but that man mowing the grass can't fix a pump, but the man mowing
the grass at the water treatment plant can come and help fix that pump, and that
is the big difference. Mr. Campbell said that the man not only works on pumps
here, he mows grass too. Mr. Campbell also stated that they work outside and
they do not work inside all the time.
Mr. Plata said that is enough said, and he understands what he is saying, but
Mr. Campbell has not convinced him that it takes that much personnel to do
everything, so, that is what he is going to be recommending if these other
Council Members go along with the recommendations.
Mr. Campbell stated that in 1987 when he came to Paris and took over this
department he had 15 less employees. He said that he is not going to manage
a department that goes back to those years because we will not be
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accomplishing the things we are doing. He stated that the city had not added
anyone in 10 years and they have tremendous additional burdens that have been
applied to the city by the EPA and the TECQ. Mr. Campbell said no one has
given a thought to that. He said he is not talking about in Greenville or Mt.
Pleasant, he is talking about here in Paris, Texas.
City Manager Malone said that city staff will take this and explore these
suggestions about the shifts changes that are proposed and analyze this
information. He said they will continue to talk with the Campbell Soup
Company. He advised that they are in the budget process and are receiving
departmental budgets this week and they will see what staff is able to
recommend that they think is reasonable to solve all these problems to some
extent. The City Manager said he is not going to say they will be able to lower
this rate increase. He said that, in talking about the present budget, that is not
going to have any effect on the rate, it is the next budget and it's the budget
year after year. He explained that you can defer maintenance for a year or two,
three or four, but it catches up to you. Mr. Malone said that the city does have
to keep an even keel when you are making budgets and making rates.
City Manager Malone advised that he knows that Campbell Soup is concerned
about the rates, but there is a reason that the rate developed like it did. He said
that part of that reason is they were doing a study and waiting three years to
make an adjustment. He said that, in the mean time, the cost allocated to
Campbell Soup actually dropped over the three year period, but in the mean
time, they used less water for a variety of reasons. He said that makes the rates
go up when you are buying water on the volume basis. Mr. Malone said that
you get a great deal because you are purchasing so much volume but when you
reduce your volume, your rate goes up. He advised that the city is going to
have to figure out a way to work with our soup company and work with other
systems to be fair with everyone and try to find a way to make this thing work.
He did not think that doing something drastic is going to be the solution.
Chairman Plata asked the City Manager if he wanted to have another meeting
and come back next week. City Manager Malone said he did not know about
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next week as there were so many things going on, and explained all the things
that he and the city staff are working on.
Councilwoman Neeley stated that, as a committee, they have done about all
they can do and the Mayor is looking at scheduling a meeting the last week of
the month. City Manager Malone said that he could forward all of this to all of
the Council Members. Councilwoman Neeley said the three Committee
Members cannot decide anything. Chairman Plata asked if they wanted to take
a vote to the council or try to come back with something else to take to the City
Council.
City Manager Malone advised that they can do an analysis of what was
presented and look at the whole idea of the shifts and what that means, how it
would work with the laws in place, and what that would accomplish. He stated
that there are things that jump out at him such as some of these employees
going into the General Fund. He said that there is no money in the General
fund to pay them and those jobs will be lost. He said that the city will not be
able to add people in the parks departments and they will not be in the position
to mow. Mr. Malone said that there is no money for that; it would have to
come from a totally separate thing. He said that the property taxes would have
to be raised to do that.
Councilwoman Neeley stated the question is do you want this committee to
meet again or do you want it the way we have it right now with your answers
to go to the whole Council and have a meeting. City Manager Malone said it
was subject to the recommendation, whatever the committee decided how you
want to handle it. He was just saying that they are going to need a little time
to analyze this and get some answers and they need some time to come up with
what we are planning to offer the City Council in the budget. He advised that
they were working to get the budget out early as was mentioned. The City
Manager said since we are talking about water and sewer rates, they are going
to concentrate on the water and sewer departments first. So, anything they can
do and when we figure out what they can do and consult with the rate
consultant and talk about our debt service and every other thing that enters into
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it. He said this is not a simple thing it is pretty complex. The City Manager
stated that they may have a recommendation and whatever they recommend,
they will recommend something that they think is reasonable and responsible.
He said that it may not make everyone happy. Mr. Malone said that there is
no way to avoid a rate increase because of the debt that was issued several
years ago and they did not raise the rates at the time it was issued. He said that
the city issued the debt to meet an EPA mandate, and met that, and, in the
process, they saved the tax payers 7 million dollars. He said he had a list of
dirty water complaints along with sewer and point repairs that they are doing
daily. City Manager Malone said they are getting the overhead tank
constructed, which will help Campbell Soup, along with fire protection.
Chairman Plata said two people called him about the dirty water and they say
it is reoccurring ever three of four months. The City Engineer is working on
it. City Engineer Napier reported that this is an on going; it was being done
when he was hired and they have continued these projects. He said that he is
getting replacement schedules together to replace a lot of those lines causing
rusty water problems. The way he is handling it is if he gets 10 calls on one
street, and one call on another street, he is going to repair the line where the 10
calls first. The City Engineer said there are contractors doing it along with
Public Works, which also has a crew that does some water and sewer repairs.
Mr. Napier said that they have their hands full repairing leaks and unstopping
sewer lines.
Chairman Plata said one private contractor does water, one does sewer, and one
does manholes, and if these people are having problems reoccurring every 3 or
4 months, couldn't the city get someone else to come in and replace these lines.
City Manager Malone said they were open to other contractors and that is
something that we can consider doing. He said the city only has so many
inspectors available. We don't want to increase and hire dedicated personnel
and increase the budget in that respect because you have to have someone
supervising the work and we are doing work by the day and it is our paid
employees making sure that we get what we are paying for and making sure the
pipe is being installed properly. City Manager Malone also said the work by
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the day had saved the city a lot of money.
Charles Waldrum, Attorney for Tenaska, said that one thing that they did not
get to on the agenda was discussion of the privatization of the operation of the
water and sewer system. He said the only thing he wanted to say about that
was the Committee and Council needs to keep in mind that there are contracts
between the City of Paris and Tenaska along with several other entities, and
any sort of privatization needs to take into account the language in those
different contracts because they may not be compatible without some sort of
analysis.
Chairman Plata said what he wanted to say on the privatization, if
Councilwoman Neeley, and Councilman Weekly would go along with this, he
just today got the cities that did not renew the contract with this company and
he has contacted one city and it was not good. He stated that he really did not
want to take the position of recommending the privatization because he has not
talked to enough cities. Councilwoman Neeley said she thought they had sort
of moved that on to the whole City Council by having them make their
presentation to the Council this week. She said that the issue has moved
passed the committee on what they were going to recommend on that and
should be left to the whole Council. Chairman Plata said that would be left to
the whole Council, but they asked him if they were going to recommend it. He
said he did not know one way or the other at this point. Mr. Campbell asked
Chairman Plata if he had asked any citizens about that and what they think
about privatization.
Kelly Sanders with A-1 Sanitation, was present stating that they had been in
business since 1961 and have a good working relationship with the City of
Paris. He asked that someone talk to someone with TCEQ and gave the
committee a handout regarding privatization. Mr. Sanders said he talked to a
Mark Dixon at TCEQ this morning and he is one of the people that the
wastewater plant has to answer to when they get out of compliance. Mr.
Sanders said that he did not know how to run a water or wastewater plant but
Mr. Dixon does, and he is the one that issues the fines when they do get out of
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compliance. Mr. Sanders said that Mr. Dixon states that the other plants that
he goes to that get out of compliance that are on privatization are out of
compliance constantly. He said that the reason is that the company that comes
in and runs the plant is not held responsible for being out of compliance
because they do not own the plant. TCEQ is going to come down on the city,
not that private operator because the owner of that plant is the City of Paris.
Mr. Sanders recommended to the committee that they should talk with Mr.
Dixon.
Chairman Plata stated that you have to place that feature in the contract to
make them be responsible. Mr. Sanders said that was true, and they can save
the city money the first year on cut back and other things, but after that, you
will start having maintenance expenses that are astronomical because they are
not keeping up the equipment. Mr. Sanders told the committee that he did not
recommend privatization to any city that is not having problem with
compliance, he also said the City of Paris is not having that problem.
Mr. Campbell stated that the city has never violated a water treatment rule and
the city has been fined $5,000.00 at the wastewater plant because some sludge
got out of the spray zoning and got into the buffer zone about 16 years ago.
The only time the city has been in noncompliance is in the collection system.
Chairman Plata stated that he wanted everyone to understand that he has never
said and will not say that the water production plant is not run properly. The
only thing that he is saying is that it can be done a little more efficiently.
Mr. Plata assured everyone that he will go out and look at the water treatment
plant and the wastewater treatment plant and said he would get with Mr. Wims
on Monday.
City Manager Malone advised that the tour should be scheduled through his
office.
Chairman Plata said this is going to the City Council unless Councilwoman
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Neeley and Councilman Weekly get back with him before the last week in May,
and see if Mayor Fendley wants to set a special meeting.
Mr. Campbell wanted to know if they are going to a try to adopt the water rates
by June 1 st. City Manager Malone advised that they were unsure because they
are still in the process of talking with Campbell Soup and these issues must be
worked through. Chairman Plata stated that by the end of May they needed to
be finished.
Councilwoman Neeley suggested that the issue be taken to the City Council on
the last week in May and then, if the City Council is not satisfied, the Mayor
can provide another direction.
Chairman Plata told Mr. Anderson that, regarding the shifts he had
recommended that there is a problem with the overtime, and said he would get
with Mr. Gill at Kimberly-Clark and see how they handle the four day shift.
Ms. Wims pointed out that wages are considerably higher at Kimberly-Clark
than at the City of Paris and you have to keep that in mind.
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned.
BENNY PLATA, CHAIRMAN
ATTEST:
MATTIE CUNNINGHAM, CITY CLERK