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12/06/1994SWIMMING POOL COMMITTEE MEETING December 6, 1994 The Swimming Pool Committee met in special session, Tuesday, December 6, 1994, at 4:00 P. M., City Council Chambers, City Hall, Paris, Texas. Chairman Eric Clifford called the meeting to order with the following members present: Charles Fulbright, Jean Campbell, Jim Chadwick, Aaron Jenkins, and Millie Ingram McDonald. Chairman Clifford announced that the meeting was called for the purpose of receiving information survey from municipalities with swimming pools. Chairman Clifford said that when Mayor Don Shelton appointed this committee, he asked Dick Boots to do a survey specifically of Mt. Pleasant, Mt. Vernon, Greenville, and any other like size community or geographically located community to similar size of the City of Paris, and this survey shows profit or loss, and of course, they all show a loss, or you could look at that as cost of service, but Mt. Vernon's cost is $3,200.00 a year, not counting the cost of the pool, up to $35,000.00 a year at Desota, and Greenville is $25,000.00, Mt. Pleasant is $5,600.00 a year cost, or loss on their pool. Chairman Clifford said that there has been a proposal made to exchange property out on the Loop for Spencer's Water Park on N. Main Street, and his feels is a community does better with a smaller pool rather than a larger pool, that he would much rather have a smaller pool that is over utilized than a large pool that is under - utilized so that we can not afford to operate it. Ms. Campbell advised the Committee that Spencers pool is very old and hard to maintain. The sides are cement and painting, and so with all the suntan oils you have, there is as black rim around the edge which means you have labor to get it off. The newer pools will be tile or steel. Ms. Campbell said this pool is 25 meters by 25 yards, the diving well is approximately 20 feet by 30 feet and 17 feet deep, there is a permanent crack in the bottom of the pool that can not be fixed, but you could crib it up and put a false bottom on it because it is 17 feet deep, and it has a 3, and a 1 meter board on it, you could take out the 3 meter and cut your danger down. The pool house where the filter is old, but it does not mean it can not be used, but there is a lot of water to chlorinate. They did not always run the filter as much as it should have been run, when you run a public pool we want it to be well taken care of, and something that the City can be proud of. Ms. Campbell said that she was not sure with the amount of money the City would spend to operate it if it would be very cost efficient. Ms. Campbell thought it might be necessary to have two pool may be start with a small pool located in one place, and then if it is really successful then build another one which would allow kids to go to the pool on bicycles. Ms. Campbell advised that Mr. Spencer did not have his pool guarded enough, and as a City, we would want more guards than he had because of the liability aspect. Mr. Boots advised that he had estimated the proper amount of guards and staff would cost approximately $33,000.00 for 75 to 80 days of swimming Page 2 Swimming Pool Comm. 12/6/94 season. The electric cost would run $5,700.00, water cost $4,000.00, chemical $3,000.00, and insurance from $1,1200.00 to $1,500.00 for a total operating cost of $51,000.00. Mr. Boots said the initial start up the City would have to go in and do certain things such as repair to the water slide, ground, the painting the pool, plumbing problems, and he estimated the initial start up cost to be over $36,000.00 to get the park ready to open. Mr. Boots told the Committee that as far as revenue go Mr. Spencer charged $6.50 a person which in his opinion the average person can not afford this, and pointed out from the survey that most cities charges $1.00 to $2.00 a day with an average of $1.25 a day. The average attendance during the last season Spencer's was open averaged 175 people a day. Mr. Boots said that the City would make a small profit from concessions approximately $2,500.00 to $3,000.00 which means the revenues would be approximately $42,000.00 if we get that many people in using the pool and slide. Mr. Boots said he figured $3.00 a day for use of the pool and the slide a day, but that would the the maximum revenue, showing a loss of $9,000.00, but if we charged $1.50 we are talking about $29,000.00 loss in revenues, so we are talking about a loss situation in the first year of operation, you are talking about $35,000.00 to $37,000.00 start up cost, an average of a possible loss of $20,000.00 to $25,000.00 to run the pool. Mr. Boots pointed out that each city will tell you that you will never recoup the cost of the pool, and what we would be doing is operating and giving a service to the community at a low cost. Mr. Boots told the Committee that the best layout of a pool is an "L" shape pool with a diving area, with the other area being a six lanes 42 foot wide by 25 meters. Mr. Boots said there were so many options available, you can have a recreational swimming pool from 3 to 5 foot depth with a diving tank, or you can have a competitive pool and 3 to 3 and one -half feet is not enough now, you have to have a deeper depth than that for competition. Mr. Boots said that he does not have prices on new pools at this time, but he estimated the cost of a pool that he has just mentions to be approximately a quarter of a million dollars and that is without showers or lockers, that most place do not have these because of additional maintenance cost. Ms. Campbell suggest putting in outdoor showers in, which would not be a large cost factor. Chairman Clifford stated that his first goal would be to have a pool that would be available to kids to learn to swim in, and price will be a major issue. Chairman Clifford said the smallest size at the least lost that we can manage. Mr. Chadwick said his thoughts would be to identify what our needs are in regard to a pool , if we are going first class, and if we meet the basic needs of the community. Mr. Fulbright asked if there has been any thought to summer passes like 75% of the total if you went everyday because normally if a person goes 50 day that is saying a lot, and if they pay 75% of the total value to Page 3 Swimming Pool Comm. 12/6/94 be able to go every day, it would probably be more profitable. Mr. Fulbright said something else we need to think about is when we get into this, we shouldn't even expect to make a profit, if we save one persons life, get them off the street, keep them out of trouble, it will be well worth it. Ms. Campbell pointed out that a teaching pool could be many things, but if you want to teach Red Cross swimming lessons, you do need deep water. Ms. Campbell said a teaching pool can be all shallow water, but you can not teach your lifers, there is no where in this town to train lifeguards, we have to take them to the Gordon's pool to train them. After further discussion, Chairman Clifford said he would get with City Manager Malone regarding funding sources and requested that he check in to the Certificate of Obligation funds to see if that would be available to allocate for a pool, and will report back to the Committee at the next meeting. Chairman Clifford requested that Ms. Campbell get with Tommy Haynes to see what grant opportunities are available in the possibility of securing a grant for the swimming pool. Chairman Clifford also directed Mr. Boots to secure the cost for a new pool something similar to Cedar Hill (priced in meters, "L" shaped pool, 25 meters), and have that available at the next meeting. Chairman Clifford announced that after the first of the year that another meeting would be called, and requested that it be on a Tuesday at 4:00 P. M. There being no further business, the meeting adjourned. ERIC CLIFFORD, CHAIRMAN ATTEST: MATTIE CUNNINGHAM, CITY CLERK