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they can be the ones themselves. They know the people out there in the community. Malone We had some deputy chiefs doing that. Armstrong The Manager opened the meeting up, and I asked the question, or asked that the process be explained exactly what we are now doing, and so we have had that explanation from city staff as to the process, the procedure, the difference in Civil Service, and non - Civil Service, and that has led now to the discussion. We felt at first of all we needed, but first of all, we needed to know what we are doing is, what we are here for is to figure out what more can we do. And the suggestions that you just made and we are now getting close to that point. We haven't heard from Robert. Other entities face daily this. This is not unique to the City or the County, or the College, and you have expressed what you are doing, and I think we are kind of to the point to think of what are some programs that are working. I think just sitting here and talking about it is a lot great things we can do. Talking about this is going to help a whole lot. The thing that my friend Clovis has brought up is growing our own and these are some neat ideas, and the fact that this committee exist should raise awareness, and we need, maybe to involve churches, citizens and other specific ways. I would like to hear from Robert a little bit about what we have done to enlist diversity in. Fisher And, I have a couple of things that I would like to speak of, also. Armstrong You may want to speak first. I just wanted to let you know where we are Mary Ann. Fisher I know for a fact that Kimberly Clark, Campbell Soup, McCuistion Hospital, and St. Joseph are having the same problems. These are the well educated minorities. They are looking for a different kind of area, so we hire headhunters. I am talking about recruiters, and so does Campbell Soup and Kimberly Clark, and don't understand why the city can't do the same thing. Because, I went to the Texas Municipal League and I also went to COG and I talked to them. I talked to the President, I talked to the black guys that were there,