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three jobs. I interviewed eight black girls and I didn't go get. They sent them to me, eight. Harris What company was that. Fisher We started using the employment office. We use our own personnel department. I got on the phone, these are my people that will be working in ICU, they are going to be monitor techs. That are un- trained. High school prepared, and I will have people from my unit train them to read rhythm strips, and it is so hard, other than the test, you know, to get people to work for the city. Malone Our openings are generally occasional, so, I don't know. High The purpose behind recruitment is to put your organization in the forefront. To make a name for yourself so that people can look at it, get light, they have a good taste in their mouth, they have a positive attitude about it. They hear about you and they know about you, and then, when the jobs do come open, they are encouraged to apply. You know, we need a recruitment package. We need a recruitment budget and we need to make recruitment trips. And, above all, we need a responsible party or departments who wants to see to those things are done. Fisher Are you still using the employment office to sent you applicants. Malone Yes. Fisher That is the first mistake. I promise you, that is the nail in the coffin right there. What we did, we started using the employment office and we got people in HR that these people come and said, Mary Ann Fisher has a job, I want to fill out an application and I want an interview, and that is as simple as it is. Everybody gets an interview until I fill the position. We don't go to Human Resources, I mean, employment office for anything. Webb And, the reason we don't, and I don't know how, but it is legal. Malone We don't have to, we can do it ourselves. (Everybody talking)